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Vote count in N.Y.-23: Where the candidates stand

By Jordan Fabian - 11/17/09 12:00 PM ET

With all the talk of Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman "unconceding" in New York's special House election, it's worth examining the latest vote counts.

After Rep. Bill Owens' (D-N.Y.) margin of victory over Hoffman shrunk from 5,335 to 3,026 according to a Syracuse Post-Standard report last week. The news gave Hoffman a glimmer of optimism after seeing his bid for Congress fall short just days before the House was set to vote on its healthcare reform bill. 

Hoffman said on Glenn Beck's radio show yesterday that he now trails Owens by a "little over 2,000 votes" with 10,000 absentee ballots to be counted. But the 10,000 figure is the number of absentee ballots distributed, not the amount returned.

Several publications now point out that Hoffman's odds of victory are even more remote than once thought.

The Watertown Daily Times points out that 7,419 ballots have been returned out of 11,741 that were distributed. According to the Times, Owens led Hoffman 3,176 votes before absentee ballots were counted, 150 more votes than the Post-Standard reported.

After absentee votes were tallied in Hamilton, Oneida, and Madison Counties, Hoffman trailed Owens by 2,951 votes according to the conservative Gouverneur Times. According to the Times, there are 6,123 ballots remaining.

Here is more analysis from the Washington Independent's Dave Weigel:

On election night, voters cast 2,365 ballots in Hamilton County: Hoffman won 50.0% of the vote, Owens won 37.6% and Scozzafava won 12.4%. There were 207 absentee ballots cast. The breakdown:

Doug Hoffman - 81 (39.1%)
Bill Owens - 50 (24.2%)
Dede Scozzafava - 76 (36.7%)

On election night, voters cast 17,674 ballots in Madison County: Hoffman won 50.8% of the vote, Owens won 45.8% and Scozzafava won 3.4%. There were 496 absentee ballots cast. The breakdown:

Doug Hoffman - 170 (34.3%)
Bill Owens - 203 (40.9%)
Dede Scozzafava - 122 (24.6%)

On election night, voters cast 5,165 ballots in Oneida County: Hoffman won 53.8% of the vote, Owens won 39.2% and Scozzafava won 7.0%. There were 762 absentee ballots cast. The breakdown:

Doug Hoffman - 446 (58.5%)
Bill Owens - 219 (28.7%)
Dede Scozzafava - 97 (12.7%)

That's a lot of variance between three counties. In one, Hoffman did better than he did on election day; in another, both Hoffman and Owens did worse than they did on election day; in another, Owens lost on election day but won on absentees. But the total picture from this batch
of 1,465 absentee ballots is:

Doug Hoffman - 697 (47.6%)
Bill Owens - 472 (32.2%)
Dede Scozzafava - 296 (20.1%)

That's a net 225 votes for Hoffman, who's down by 2,951 votes with 6,123 left to count. It's simply not the kind of ratio that will deliver victory. If the numbers keep breaking this way, it would point an Owens win of around 2[,]000 votes. But keep in mind, we don't have absentees yet in the huge Owens counties of Clinton and St. Lawrence. 

Despite the numbers, Hoffman continued to remain optimistic today, saying that he was a part of the 1980 "Miracle on Ice" and believes that such a miracle could happen again with his campaign.

“Doug Hoffman conceded two weeks ago knowing that there was no way he could take the lead in the finally tally; his own press person characterized their chances of closing the gap as nothing more than ‘wishful thinking,'" said DCCC spokesman Shripal Shah. "Nothing has changed since then."

He added that "the absentee ballots that have been counted so far confirm this point and that’s why the election results were not contested. Congressman Owens has been hard at work on behalf of his constituents and that will remain his focus moving forward."

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Comments (12)

Is it anatomically and/or grammatically possible to "unconcede" an election? Or anything else for that matter?And Hoffy was part of the Miracle on Ice - as a comptroller?Isn't that a bit like saying the Yeoman Purser on the Titanic killed 1,517 people?Or do you kids have nothing better to do (Afghanistan, health care, Iraq, jobs, financial regulations, etc.) than bean-count and pray that Chris Matthews gets a thrill up his leg and gives you a call?BY Mark on 11/17/2009 at 13:08
With the vote that close, the House shouldn't have seated Bill Owens until the election was certified by state officials. Republicans need to call for an investigation.BY Chris Baker on 11/17/2009 at 13:59
An investigation Chris? When the dude conceded? The count's still happening, and the chips'll fall where they may. And yes, Mark—- you can take back a concession; a la Al Gore, circa Bush term BY Honest Abe on 11/17/2009 at 14:13
Did you call for an "investigation" in 2006 when the REPUBLICAN-controlled House installed Bilbray as a member when HE wasn't certified the winner yet? That was a special election to replace the corrupt Rep. Cunningham, and there was an inquiry into election fraud/rigging getting underway. Republican lawyers notified the California court that it didn't matter what the results were, the CONSTITUTION says that the House is the sole judge of who is a member, and NO tribunal has any power to change that fact. Didn't think so!BY jg on 11/17/2009 at 14:45
I agree that Hoffman conceded too soon. But if the final count shows that he indeed did win does his concession then override the will of the people?BY cluelessinky on 11/17/2009 at 16:05
@cluelessinky - My understanding is "no". The concession allowed Owens to be seated in the House, but had no legal standing on the status of the vote. If the continuing vote count puts Hoffman over the top (unlikely but not impossible) then I think he would be sent to Congress.BY Bill on 11/17/2009 at 17:12
Mark,I take it you don't recal Gore "unconceding" in 2000.BY ProfNickD on 11/17/2009 at 17:23
People!!! The CONSTITUTION IS CLEAR ON THIS! If, and it is a looong shot, Hoffman pulls ahead, Pelosi is under NO Constitutional obligation to seat him, and there is no state court that can overrule the Constitution (unless you want to take a few years to make a new Amendment). It would probably happen, but in 2006, the Republicans pulled that junk, and Bilbray stayed.BY jg on 11/17/2009 at 21:27
This is nothing more than a Republican wacko stunt to discredit the winner and cast doubts. Owens won on election night and the returned ballots will bear this conclusion out. There is something seriously wrong with a party that takes its direction from Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh like the Republicans do. And, you think the American people are going to want this kind of leadership?BY Mark C on 11/17/2009 at 21:57
if the dude won, the dude won— either way; the big manky question becomes—- what happens to the vote cast on H.R. 3962?BY Honest Abe on 11/18/2009 at 00:55

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