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The Big Question: Will there be fallout from decision to try 9/11 suspects in NY?

By Maryann Dreas and Tony Romm - 11/13/09 10:09 AM ET

Some of the nation's top political commentators, legislators and intellectuals offer their insight into the biggest question burning up the blogosphere today:

Today's question:

Attorney General Eric Holder announced on Friday that some Guantanamo Bay detainees, including 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, will be tried in a civilian federal court in New York. What is the possible legal, cultural or political fallout from this decision?

Rep. Ed Royce (R-Calif.) said:

The same Administration that announced on day one that is was closing Guantanamo -- only to later find out that there were actually dangerous people housed there -- is willfully bringing 9/11 killers to American soil.  This decision is no better thought-out than its plan (it didn't have one) to close GITMO.

These are not common criminals, they aren't even American citizens.  Simply put, there is nothing wrong with treating foreigners differently than Americans, especially combatants. Americans enjoy special rights and protections because we carry out the responsibilities of being Americans. Foreigners captured, out of uniform, while trying to kill Americans, needless to say, have no part in that compact. To live in a legal ivory tower that treats everyone the same, even terrorists, is the height of irresponsibility.

Justin Raimondo, editorial director of AntiWar.com, said:

Aside from the militaristic fetishism of the Bush administration and its neoconservative supporters, I fail to understand just why it was deemed impossible to try Gitmo detainees in a civilian court in the first place -- and why, now, all of them aren't being so tried (pace Glenn Greenwald in Salon).

So Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is being tried in NEW YORK? Does anyone think the jury will be sympathetic? It seems to me as if he might get a fairer trial in a military court.

The idea that our legal institutions and traditions have to be bypassed on account of the "war on terrorism" was part and parcel of the post-9/11 "everything's changed" meme, spread by the neocons in order to lubricate their de facto coup d'etat and usurpation of government power. As Bob Woodward put it in "Plan of Attack":

"Powell felt Cheney and his allies – his chief aide, I. Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz and Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith and what Powell called Feith’s ‘Gestapo’ office – had established what amounted to a separate government.”

A separate White House -- headquartered in the Office of the Vice President. A separate intelligence-gathering apparatus -- in the "Office of Special Plans." And a separate judiciary -- in the military tribunals set up by the coup leaders, which were given charge of the Gitmo detainees. The War Party, in effect, did an end run around the Constitution and the duly constituted government, and set up their own parallel institutions. That the Gitmo detainees are (some of them) being tried in civilian courts signals a return to normalcy, and the partial undoing of the neocon coup. Now we just have to repeal the PATRIOT Act and the Military Commissions Act -- and get our troops out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and wherever else they have no business being.

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said in a statement:

The terrorists who planned, participated in, and aided the September 11, 2001 attacks are war criminals, not common criminals. Not only are these individuals not common criminals but war criminals, they are also not American citizens entitled to all the constitutional rights American citizens have in our federal courts. The individuals accused of committing these heinous, cowardly acts of intentionally targeting unsuspecting, defenseless civilians should therefore be tried by military commission rather than in civilian courts in the United States.

The military commission system recently signed into law by the President as part of the National Defense Authorization Act provides standards of due process and fairness that fully comply with the requirements established by the Supreme Court and the Geneva Conventions. Earlier this year, when passing the National Defense Authorization Act, the Senate also passed language expressing its clear intent that military commissions rather than civilian courts in the U.S. are the appropriate forum for the trial of these alleged terrorists. I share the views of more than 140 family members of the victims of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks who recently wrote to the Senate urging that the individuals charged with responsibility for those attacks should be tried by military commission rather than in civilian courts in the United States: It is inconceivable that we would bring these alleged terrorists back to New York for trial, to the scene of the carnage they created eight years ago, and give them a platform to mock the suffering of their victims and the victims' families, and rally their followers to continue waging jihad against America. 

Dr. James Zogby, president of the Arab-American Institute, said:

If America is going to start acting like America again, why should there be any fall-out?

If we are a nation based on respect for the law, if we are to be an example for other nations, and if we have confidence in our institutions and our principles - then why would we be threatened, and why would we let anyone play politics with our values?

Politicians who use scare tactics to challenge this just decision are either demagogues preying off fear or are, themselves, scared little boys.

Meghan Tisinger, director of Communications for Military Families United, said:

This decision is a victory for those who perpetrated the attacks of September 11, 2001, not the American people. For years, attorneys for the accused accomplices of the September 11th hijackers have been fighting the US Government to permit their clients to be tried in civilian court. The Obama Administration has now capitulated to those requests. The September 11 accomplices will now receive many of the same constitutional rights and privileges as ordinary Americans.

Given the unique circumstances of their alleged crimes, capture and detention, those rights will be used as a sword rather than a shield. The September 11 accomplices are enemy combatants, not civilian criminals. Their access to the civilian justice system will enable them to exclude key evidence from the proceedings and seek legal protections to which they would not be otherwise entitled. With a potentially tainted jury pool in New York City, these 9/11 accomplices may also be able to claim violation of their Constitutional rights to a fair trial. In a shameless attempt to appease the ACLU, the Administration’s decision is fraught with peril for all Americans and the families of those who perished in the attacks.

Military Families United believes that the best solution is for GITMO to remain open and for all suspected terrorists held in the Guantanamo Bay facility to be tried as soon as possible under the revised Military Commissions process.

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in a statement:

I have always believed that the nation’s federal courts are capable of trying high profile terrorism and national security cases.  They have proven time and time again to be up to the job.  The Justice Department’s decision to pursue criminal charges against Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and four other suspects in federal court is a step toward bringing long overdue justice to the perpetrators of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.   I hope these cases will move forward promptly.  By trying them in our federal courts, we demonstrate to the world that the most powerful nation on earth also trusts its judicial system – a system respected around the world.

Debra Burlingame, attorney and member of the Board of Directors of Keep America Safe, said:

Today, Attorney General Eric Holder will announce that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and several of his fellow 9/11 co-conspirators will be brought to New York City and tried in federal court. No doubt the Attorney General will invoke the phrase, "Swift and certain justice." This is a sham. There will be nothing swift and nothing certain about it.

The trial will be a travesty. The prosecutors at the Southern and Eastern Districts fought over these career-making cases like vultures at a kill. But who will be the vulture? In open court, it will be Khalid Shiek Mohammed who will hold forth, mocking his victims, exulting in the suffering of their families, ridiculing the judge, his lawyers and the American justice system, and worst of all, rallying his jihadi brothers to kill more Americans as the men and women of the US military risk their lives in the mountains of Afghanistan and the sands of Iraq. All, just blocks from where 20,000 body parts were dug out of the rubble of the Twin Towers.

Remember KSM's famous opening line when he was grabbed in Rawalpindi? "I'll talk to you guys after I get to New York and see my lawyer." Thanks to the Obama Administration, it looks like he’ll get his wish. And he’ll do his best—with the help of this top-drawer lawyers and much of the media—to make the real defendants at the trial the CIA interrogators—and the American government.

How will this help achieve what our president claims he wants to achieve--"restoring respect for America"? Is that what he really wants?"


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Comments (18)

as usual, the criminals have more rights than the victims. obama passes the law cuz he sympothises with the muslim world and is still a muslim, they are not the alledged killers, they ARE the killers, they even admitted it and wanted to be killed so they could get their 73 virgins, what a joke, if you die, you dont need virgins or sex, they are delusional, but it does show that a man will do whatever he has to do to get some, even die. one question, are the virgins women? what abut the gay muslims, and yes, they may deny it, but their are gay muslims, do they get men? too funny, these men are terrorist and should be tried as such by the military, it was an act of war, not a little crime by homeboy. i feel for the families of the victims who will have to see these pieces of shiot have a "fair" trial when nothing they do in the muslim world are fair to americans, or anyone else, they capture and behead american soilders right there, no trial, no jury, no questions asked, capture and kill, thats it. why do we have to play nice with them,BY cargo65 on 11/13/2009 at 15:45
Yes, there will be political fallout, as this administration does more absurd things every day. Obama would rather placate his far left base than listen to mainstream America.BY from the suburbs on 11/13/2009 at 15:59
Remember the first bombing of the WTC? The Judge in that case still has bodyguards? Our prisions are good at keeping people in. How good are they at keeping people (terrorist) out?If this move triggers another terrorist attack in New York … can we still blame George Bush?BY Thomas J Gassett on 11/13/2009 at 16:55
So tell me what happens if one of these guy's is not convicted ? Released in the USA to hurt someone here?You bet there's going to be fallout. Wait till the next election.BY Larry on 11/13/2009 at 17:42
Political fall-out? Shoo, the GOP cries when President Obama brushes his teeth. Gimme a break… How about asking about the political fall-out Bush experienced by NOT trying them for their crimes?BY Ethan on 11/13/2009 at 17:53
RE: Dr. James Zogby: You need to better explain yourself as to how we should respect other nations and if America is to be America again. First off, these terrorists attacked us in as much a military strike as any other military strike. They infiltrated, obtained intelligence, used perfect operational security, and attacked us on 9/11. For this trial to move forward, just who will be their peers during the trial? How would you define just what their peers are? This move will backfire on the current administration that will have long lasting consequences such as terror demands being placed when these guys are found guilty.BY Gary on 11/13/2009 at 18:17
I believe this is going to be one major backfire for the Obama administration. Maybe just the thing for New York to go red, big time.BY Joanne on 11/13/2009 at 20:39
If you cannot call a terrorist a terrorist and let them be tried by the military you should not be president. These people have one thing in mind kill americans, jews and anyone else that gets in there way. They do not respect weakness they only respect strength. This is going to free some pretty bad people!BY William on 11/13/2009 at 22:32
No, Joanne, New York will not go red, big time. If NYC is attacked again, these Libtards will find a way to blame America. Or George Bush. Or the tea baggers. Or the racists in the Republican Party. It would not be PC to blame the terrorists for their own actions.BY Janet on 11/14/2009 at 02:00
This decision positively sickens me. It is like twisting the knife in the backs of those who lost loved ones. However, we should not be surprised. Look at everything else this administration has done—-they neither respect this country nor it's people. They'd rather suck up to dictators and terrorists, while throwing America and it's allies under the bus. Actions speak louder than words—-and everything they've done from the stimulus to the health care bill to dithering on the troop request to Fort Hood—-etc. etc. tells us for them, WE DON'T COUNT.Will there be repercussions?? You betcha. They'll get the boot, we'll repair the damage like we've always done, and vote someone in who'll do the job right.Because WE, THE PEOPLE, are what make this country great.And WE are the ones who, in the end, have the final say.BY Mary Gray on 11/14/2009 at 02:56

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