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Murtha stands firm on including funds for F-35 alternative engine

By Roxana Tiron - 10/08/09 03:08 PM ET

The House’s top defense appropriator said on Thursday that canceling a second engine for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter would be a "mistake.”

Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) indicated that he stands firm on including funds for a second F-35 engine developed by General Electric and Rolls Royce. One of his arguments is that too much money has already been spent on an alternate engine to slash the program after several years of development.

The GE-Rolls-Royce team received a $2.5 billion contract in 2005 to build the second engine and the government has paid out $1.7 billion, or 70 percent, of that contract on the engine development.

Pratt & Whitney was selected from the inception of the F-35 program as the primary engine builder.

Murtha’s Senate counterpart, Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), decided not to include funding for the second engine in the Senate’s version of the 2010 defense appropriations bill, but left the window open for money to be included in conference negotiations with the House, which included funding. Inouye in the past supported a second engine, but this year wanted to see his defense bill pass, because the Office of Management and Budget threatened to recommend a veto over the alternate engine program.

As the House passed the conference report of the 2010 defense authorization bill, the White House had not renewed a veto threat over the defense authorizers’ decision to green-light funding for a second engine in the final 2010 defense policy bill. No renewed veto threat could also empower the appropriators to go ahead with the funding.

Both Pratt & Whitney and GE-Rolls Royce have experienced and detected problems during testing of their respective engines — something that is expected to happen for complex fighter jet engines in development. However, problems with the engines have received additional scrutiny as Congress decides whether to continue with the alternate engine program. But the stakes have been very high for the companies, with Pratt &Whitney fighting to stay the only producer of the engines and GE-Rolls Royce fighting to keep the secondary role.


The fighter jet engine market for the F-35 is projected at $100 billion over the next few decades.

The most recent testing problem comes from the GE-Rolls Royce team. The same day defense authorizers officially announced their decision to support the second engine program, GE-Rolls Royce announced that it has stopped running its development engine after a routine borescope inspection (the borescope is an optical device used to inspect engines). The engine has been removed from test for teardown and any further running of will be based upon review of root cause assessment which is due to be completed Friday.

One of the strongest supporters of a second engine, Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii), the chairman of the House Armed Services Air and Land subcommittee, said that problems found in testing only underscore the need to have more than one engine for more than 2,000 jet fighters.

“You need to have parallel engine developments,” Abercrombie said on Thursday. “The Congress is not interested in picking winners. The Congress is interested in making sure that we at least have parallel development so that in case something goes wrong which is likely-- even Secretary [of Defense Robert] Gates has said given the challenges facing the development on this particular [F-35] engine it is likely that there are going to be setbacks.”

However, Gates has also made the case that the Pentagon only needs one engine and feels comfortable relying on the primary Pratt & Whitney engine. The Pentagon’s biggest congressional supporters on this issue come from the Connecticut, where Pratt & Whitney builds the F-35 engine. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), President Barack Obama’s onetime presidential rival, also opposes spending money on a second engine.

Source:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/62305-murtha-stands-firm-on-f-35-alternative-engine-funds

Comments (7)

Again, Rep. Murtha is only trying to take care of his own district at the expense of the nation. Wasn't the millions of dollars recently appropriated for his personal airport enough of tax payers money for this years budget? Its time to put the nation first and not the special interest that happen to have facilities in your district. Were not idiots, these defense contractors split up plants to key states for this very reason, they know how to work the political system.BY rogpeck2002 on 10/09/2009 at 01:20
ROGPECK2002: Get your facts straight. The second engine will be built in Ohio and Indiana, not Pennsylvania.BY JimMccain on 10/09/2009 at 08:08
Does anyone consider this $2.5 billion price tag as only the begining? And to argue that "we've already wasted money, let's waste more" is a valid argument? The hair on my neck is standing up on this one. What other aspects of this plane are being competeted at our expense? I was under the impression that the jet is flying fine, why a second engine?BY Chris on 10/09/2009 at 10:44
Chris, the reason for the second engine is that the F-35 is slated to be our one and ONLY front-line fighter for our military, being used for our AF, Navy and Marines. To have all our eggs in one basket, and only have one engine for this jet, our national defense would be crippled if design flaws were to be discovered later. You're talking about our entire military air power grounded for weeks, if not months, waiting on the primary manufacturer to get a fix and get it implemented. That's just too huge of a risk America cannot afford to take. The Pratt engine has already experienced problems and they are not minor, although the news reports lead you to believe that they are. If you want to reduce government waste, why not consider the $2 billion wasted on the "cash for cluckers" program, or how about the mortgage bailout for people who bought homes abover their means, or how about the bank bailout fiasco or the $900 billion stimulus. Now here are some wasted programs.BY Tom on 10/09/2009 at 11:38
Tom, you state "the F-35 is slated to be our one and ONLY front-line fighter for our military"…ummm, so the same issue would effect us if the airframe had problems as well. Looks to me like all the eggs are aleady in the basket with the F-35. I read both the F136.com and the F135engine.com websites, and I honestly have to say, having 12,000 hours of test and time in the air sure looks promising to me. The F136 has had 2 failures and not out of the test stand yet? And before you go there I know Pratt had problems too. The F136 concerns me as It's technology is new as well, as compared to Pratt and the F119, a proven workhorse. Why isn't Boeing crying to congress over the loss of the X-36? Seems GE's clout is doing more harm than good to my wallet. And I totally agree, this administration really upsets me with the giveaways. I for one, am sick of it.BY Chris on 10/09/2009 at 12:10
Chris, PrattWhitney have 2-3 year head start on the development of there engine thats why they have engines in the air. The bottom line is You cant let one company have a monopaly on jet engines for the entier defences fighter jet fleet, that will cost US billions in the future. Give the F136 a chance to compeat!BY matt on 10/10/2009 at 11:51
Are you aware that Rolls Royce paid millions of Dollars a year in secret corruption and slush funds to help sell their aero engines to operators that will be "advised" (or forced!) by those receiving the secret slush funds.Just one example is that Tommy Suharto (son of the ex-Indonesian president) was given about 20 million dollars and a new blue Rolls Royce car by Rolls Royce (before he was jailed for murder!) to force the Indonesian airline Garuda to take the R-R Trent 700 engine on the A330 aircraft they were buying. They got a really bad commercial deal and the follow-on warranty and support was probably the worst any operator had ever had. When Tommy was jailed, Rolls then paid his millionaire friend, Soetikno about 1 million dollars a year!BY Dick on 10/10/2009 at 12:27

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