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Gates warns he will ask Obama to veto Defense bill over helicopter, JSF

By Roxana Tiron - 10/15/09 11:52 AM ET

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he’ll recommend that President Barack Obama veto the 2010 defense spending bill if it includes funding for a new presidential helicopter.

Gates said he’ll also recommend that Obama veto the bill if appropriators include money for a second engine for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, if those funds end up “seriously” disrupting the entire fighter jet program.

He made the threats in a letter sent Wednesday to Reps. John Murtha (D-Pa.) the chairman of the House Appropriations Defense subcommittee, and Bill Young (R-Fla.), the panel’s ranking member.

“The conference bill should not provide funding for weapons that are not working or are no longer needed,” Gates told the lawmakers.

The House included $485 million for the VH-71 presidential helicopter and $560 million for the Joint Strike Fighter alternate engine, which is built by General Electric and Rolls-Royce. That engine is in direct competition with the primary engine built by Pratt & Whitney.

Both Pratt & Whitney and the GE-Rolls-Royce team have battled over the funding in a high-profile public-relations and lobbying campaign.

House appropriators also slashed $532 million from the Joint Strike Fighter procurement accounts (which funds 28 airplanes), but boosted development money by $430 million.

Senate appropriators did not include funds for the two projects, but Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), the Senate Appropriations Committee chairman, signaled funding for the second engine could be added in conference negotiations. Inouye supported funding for the second engine in the past.

On the presidential helicopter program, however, Inouye said that if the president does not want it, he did not want to “force it down his throat.”

Lockheed Martin and the Italian-British venture Agusta-Westland built the new presidential helicopter, the VH-71. The program is technically defunct and was canceled with much fanfare by the White House and Gates as a symbol of the administration’s responsible defense spending.

The helicopter program suffered from delays and ballooning costs; its price tag rose from an estimated $6.5 billion to $13 billion, in part because of growing technological requirements from the Marine One Squadron, which flies the presidential helicopters.

House defense appropriators are looking for a way to tap into the $3.2 billion already spent on the program. For 2010 they allocated $485 million to make operational five VH-71 helicopters that have already been delivered. Lockheed Martin announced it would lay off 600 employees as a result of the cancellation of the helicopter program.

In his letter to Murtha and Young, Gates argued that the five helicopters have no mission equipment and it would take “in excess of $2 billion to complete and operate” as a presidential helicopter.

“The Department and the White House are conducting a requirements analysis, and the outcome of this effort should not be pre-empted,” Gates wrote.

But Murtha indicated on Thursday that he believed any new helicopter project would end up costing even more than the former VH-71 project.

“It is going to cost more to start a new helicopter now,” Murtha told The Hill.  “We are still in negotiations [on the bill]; we are not there yet.”

Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-N.Y.), a defense appropriator whose district includes Owego, N.Y., where Lockheed has laid off workers who worked on the helicopter contract, has argued that starting from scratch on the presidential helicopters would delay their fielding until 2024 and would cost $15 billion.

The Congressional Research Service earlier this year quoted internal Navy documents that estimated the new helicopter program would cost $15 billion to $22 billion when factoring in $4 billion already spent on the canceled program and $1.2 billion to extend the service life of the existing helicopters.

According to statements made by Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell, the new presidential helicopter would not cost more than the canceled VH-71 and none of the options the Pentagon is looking into come close to the costs of the canceled program.

Source:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/63263-gates-warns-hell-recommend-obama-veto-defense-bill-over-helicopter

Comments (16)

Good to see someone actually doing something about government waste, Thank you Mr. Gates! It's a shame that so much has already been wasted, but to think that continued funding of programs not reaping benifits to the military would be the right thing to do makes no sense.BY Mike on 10/15/2009 at 16:13
Obivously the public has been duped into believing these cuts save the public money. The presidential helicopter would be rebid and cost the tax payers at least 20-24 billion dollars. Now if that isn't wasteful spending I don't know what is. Wake up America and understand the facts before commenting.BY Nick on 10/15/2009 at 16:33
No matter what the DOD and White House say, a new program will cost more money, and we have already spent SIX billion dollars..One more thing at issue.. "Requirements Creep" blew the budget on VH 71 projectBY John on 10/15/2009 at 17:37
Thanks to Mr Gates for making the public aware of what we really need and what is wasteful. At some point, the spending must stop.BY Noflyzoner on 10/15/2009 at 18:55
Politics and waste go hand in hand, regardless of the political Party. There isn't an honest face in Congress that puts ethics before self interests and lobbyists.It is disappointing to see the waste in dollars and corruption of our culture only to make the already rich war profiteers even richer.BY David G. on 10/15/2009 at 20:10
Talk about government waste…Everyone agrees that a new helicopter is needed, but it seems like some are in denial over what it is really going to cost us. I know as taxpayers we should be sick at the thought of these politicos scrapping over 3 billion dollars of our hard earned money just to have a new program possibly end up in the same place due to the same set of expensive requirements 6 years from now. I say fix the current program and move on.BY William on 10/15/2009 at 20:11
The Operational Requirements Document (ORD) for VXX (Presidential Helicopter Replacement Program) was published and approved by the Joint Requirements Oversight Council in Nov 2003. Since then, no operational requirements have been added to the program by HMX-1 or the White House. On the contrary, they were decreased in a number of areas to facilitate program progress over the past 3 ½ years. When you hear "requirements creep" and VH-71, it refers to Naval Air Systems Command's (NAVAIR) cumbersome and inflexible engineering process. That "process" levied hundreds of design and technical changes be made to the EH-101 design in order to comply with NAVAIR's airworthiness standards and flight certification. Essentially, they were more concerned with process (masquerading under the guise of "safety") than progress or aircraft performance. This added time (think $), weight (think decreased performance), and decreased our leadership's confidence in, and perception of, the VH-71 program. In and of itself, this dynamic was damaging to the program, but it didn't kill it completely. Make no mistake about it, this program became a political pawn for the Obama administration to illustrate their purported economic and defense acquisition responsibility (i.e., "The one I have now seems perfectly adequate to me"). It's a sad testimony to our country when political perceptions and media slant outweigh aircraft operational safety. The VH-3D used to carry the President 80-90% of the time was fielded in the late '70s. It lacks many technological advancements and aviation improvements commonly found in most civil aviation aircraft nowadays…but that's not the big problem. The problem is that it's dangerously under-powered. What nobody seems to talk about in public is if you lose one of those two engines at the wrong time, you don't have enough excess power in the other to maintain level flight. That aircraft will impact Mother Earth in an uncontrolled manner. Any aviator will tell you, engines do fail. With this situation, it isn't a matter of "if" a presidential helicopter will lose an engine at the wrong time. It's when…and who is aboard when that tragic event occurs. With a new program start, the American people are taking this risk with their President onboard hundreds of times per year until 2023-ish. This program cancellation wasn't about the money, it merely provided a convenient and popular excuse for the SecDef to initiate the wishes of a new, perception-hungry administration. Perception over safety is a poor policy and should not sit well with responsible Americans.BY A truthful critic on 10/15/2009 at 20:48
This is entirely political posturing. The Obama administration cancelled the program because the area it secured jobs in was 70% Republican. That he allowed the Navy to cause cost overruns just made it easier to look like saving money, but whatever replacement is going to have the same requirements, that are not factored into the original contract, and cause similar budget overruns. It's really simple: they didn't vote for me, I'll take their jobs.BY Mark on 10/16/2009 at 00:44
Truthful Critic provides many good points. A new helicopter IS needed. Mark's comments are typical Republican diatribe regarding anything done by a Democratic administration. This isn't about anyone's specific job or where the job is located. When will the discussion focus on EVERY member of Congress, regardless of party? When will the discussion focus on the points Truthful Critic raised? Lets have serious discussion about real issues and make sure Congress and the President KNOW we are discussing things without the political slant and rant so they will know we expect THEM to act seriously and responsibly!!!! BY John on 10/16/2009 at 12:08
WAR people pushing for more WAR moneyBY Brian on 10/16/2009 at 13:21

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