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Democrats sidestep immigration to rap Wilson over remark

By Mike Soraghan - 09/14/09 07:26 PM ET

Democrats will step carefully around the immigration issue when they seek to scold Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) for his finger-pointing flare-up last week.

But Republicans are expected to fight back fiercely, stomping right into the topic of whether or not President Barack Obama’s healthcare proposal would cover illegal immigrants.

The GOP line of attack demonstrates the reason some Democrats, particularly Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), were reluctant to press the issue last week after Wilson shouted, “You lie!” at Obama during a joint session of Congress.

“That’s the risk,” said a Democratic leadership aide. “You give Republicans a forum to talk about this phony issue of immigration.”

House Republican Leader John Boehner (Ohio) announced Monday he would vote against any resolution disapproving of Wilson’s conduct, which led Democrats to charge the minority leader with flip-flopping on the matter of whether Wilson should offer an apology on the floor.

Benefits for illegal immigrants is a divisive topic for the Democratic Caucus. Members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus oppose clamping down on immigrants, but centrist members fear voting for any taxpayer dollars to go to illegals. And Republicans have used it to force those centrist Democrats from conservative districts to take difficult votes.

“They want it to go away,” a senior Democratic aide said of the Wilson issue.

Most Republicans are expected to vote against the “resolution of disapproval.” Aides said a handful of GOP “institutionalists” appalled by the outburst or vulnerable members from districts won by Obama might defect from Boehner’s position.

Wilson gave a one-minute speech on the floor Monday afternoon, but did not directly mention the Wednesday night outburst or immigration. He talked about the town halls he held in his district during the August break, which were part of his explanation in an interview Sunday for why he was so emotional about the topic. He said he had a “town hall moment.”

In the interview, on “Fox News Sunday,” Wilson said he would not apologize on the floor of the House. Democratic leaders say if he doesn’t, they will introduce and call a vote on a resolution of disapproval condemning his conduct.

Last week, Pelosi at first said she wanted to move on and get the focus back on healthcare, but House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) and other leaders prevailed on her that Wilson’s behavior had to be addressed or a precedent would be set for incivility.

The “resolution of disapproval,” which could be introduced as early as Tuesday, allows for an hour of debate, and each side gets half. It will steer away from the truth of what either Obama or Wilson said, focusing narrowly on the impropriety of berating and disparaging the president in a joint session of Congress.

“It’ll be written in a nonpartisan way and address the breach of decorum and the congressman’s conduct,” said a House Democratic leadership aide.

But each side gets half an hour to make its case on the floor.

Republicans will start by noting that Wilson has apologized privately to Obama, after being asked to do so by Republican leaders.

Then they’ll start in on the talking point that Wilson, while uncouth, was right.

Democrats say language in the House legislation specifically excludes illegal immigrants, but Republicans contend it doesn’t include sufficient verification or enforcement. Republican amendments on the issue have been voted down by Democrats, who say that the GOP provisions would exclude eligible citizens.

But Democratic senators and the Obama administration have given ground on the topic, agreeing to add “proof-of-citizenship” requirements for participating in the insurance exchanges the bill creates.

In a statement, Boehner indicated that Republicans will also use Pelosi’s reluctance to go after Wilson against her.

“Last Thursday, Speaker Pelosi said that she believed it was time to move on and discuss healthcare. I couldn’t agree more,” Boehner said. “Instead of pursuing this type of petty partisanship, we should be working together to lower costs and expand access to affordable, high-quality health coverage on behalf of the American people.”

But Democrats say Boehner, by opposing their resolution, is also flip-flopping on the question of an apology. They say he urged Wilson to apologize Thursday morning. Boehner would allow only that “he did have a conversation with Mr. Wilson,” but wouldn’t say if he asked him to apologize on the floor.

Resolutions of disapproval are a rare, though not unprecedented, way of punishing a member. They’re more commonly used to express dissatisfaction with the action of a foreign government.

“It’s rare to use for an individual member,” said Fred Beuttler of the House Historian’s Office.

Such resolutions are not in the usual panoply of punishments for lawmakers. The House ethics committee lays out the established sanctions as expulsion, censure, reprimand, a fine or denial or limitation of any right, power, privilege or immunity of the member. But it adds to that list “any other sanction determined by the committee to be appropriate.”

Pelosi introduced a resolution disapproving then-Ways and Means Committee Chairman Bill Thomas (R-Calif.) in 2003 after Thomas called the U.S. Capitol Police to eject protesting Democrats from a committee room. It was tabled by the Republican majority, but then Thomas tearfully apologized.

In 2007, Boehner introduced a much harsher motion to censure Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) for suggesting President George W. Bush was sending troops to Iraq to get their “heads blown off for his amusement.” Again, the motion was tabled by the Democratic majority, but Stark then apologized.

But that vote also illustrates the difficult choice that centrist Democrats could find themselves in. Five Democrats voted with Republicans against tabling the Stark measure, while eight stayed neutral, voting “present.” Nearly all were centrist Blue Dog Democrats.

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Comments (24)

BY Jimmy Knucks on 09/15/2009 at 08:02
All governmental benefits - Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment, health insurance - everything - should be withheld from all illegal immigrants. The Post Office in the Texas town on the Mexican border with thousands of post office boxes to which Social Security checks are delivered should be declared closed, and all benefits stopped. Perhaps this is a way to pay for a large part of the health insurance costs for the legitimate uninsured in this country.Rep. Joe Wilson in his outburst really hit the nail on the head, and no one wants to see it.BY Richard Moriarty on 09/15/2009 at 08:40
So Mr Wilson who shouted "YOU LIE" Is teh Liar who deflected his own LIES. What has he got to say Now? Which other LIE? "We weren't aware that Wilson had been an immigration attorney. So TPMmuckraker went looking for information about his work in the field. And we came up dry.According to the bio on Wilson's website — or what's left of the site, after it crashed last week amid the flurry of attention he received — he's a real estate attorney by trade, who helped found the West Columbia law firm Kirkland, Wilson, Moore, Taylor Thomas, before entering Congress in 2001. He also has served as a Staff Judge Advocate with the South Carolina Army National Guard.One lawyer from Wilson's home county of Lexington — who said he has known Wilson personally since 1985 and described himself as very familiar with Wilson's law practice — declared flatly to TPMmuckraker: "Joe has never been anything but a real-estate attorney."The lawyer allowed that it was theoretically possible that Wilson could have taken a few immigration cases on the side, or have worked in the field before 1985, but he described that possibility as remote. "You could call 150 lawyers down here and ask if Wilson did immigration law, they'd say: '[***] no.'"BY Truth on 09/15/2009 at 08:50
The Dems are willing to side-step the immigration issue because they know that the American People do not wish to give anymore "freebies" to "illegals"! They get enough help in the way of free treatment in emergency rooms, education for their children, welfare, etc. These individuals knowingly violated our laws! We owe them nothing but prosecution for their crimes. Entering our country "illegally" is a "CRIME"!! When will our governmental officials have the outright "guts" to take a stand and enforce the immigration laws already on the books and close the border!Rep. Collins spoke the truth! Mr. Obama did lie! While I don't approve of his outburst, I may have done the exact thing had I been forced to listen to the half truths and outright distortions of the truth put forth by Mr. Obama and his "friends"! They seem to make up the health care plan as they go along!Mr. Collins has apologied —- enought with the feigned outrage! I thought Ms. Pelosi of the "CIA lied" fame, certainly produced neither evidence NOR an apology! I couldn't believe the dismayed look on her face! What a phony!! She and Mr. Reid are two of a kind!BY Jane on 09/15/2009 at 09:15
They booed President Bush during his presentation to joint session. Do the Dems have a dual standard - duh?? Maybe Ms Pelosi ought to be a unifier rather than continue to be a polarizer. Maybe if we get a new Speaker, the two sides will be more civil and start listening to each other. The uncivil comment of Mr. Wilson is indicative of the Pelosi leadership and partisan way our Congress is acting. Start working for the country and NOT your own personal political one-upmanship.BY John Foncannon on 09/15/2009 at 09:34
The democrats purposely avoid any discussion regarding ILLEGAL immigration, and instead, pathetically attempt to portray the Republicans as hostile to ALL immigration.To clarify - Republicans are not hostile to anyone, but they do believe that ILLEGAL immigrants should not receive coverage under any national healthcare plan, or in this case, scheme.It's obvious that democrats repetitively insist and whine that illegal (they prefer to call them undocumented) immigrants will be excluded from coverage. But THEY REFUSE to divulge when AMNESTY will be extended to those ILLEGAL immigrants, thereby instantly converting their status to CITIZENS who would qualify for coverage. Maybe that tactic is not apparent to the democrat followers who are hopelessly mired in a fantasy world of feelings and emotions.But Republicans, who are motivated by ideas, honesty, values, and reality realize that pathetic attempt at deception.BY Davole on 09/15/2009 at 09:55
The American People are tired of Presidential lies, corruption waste of our money. Let Joe's outburst be what needs to take place if Obama can get in front of the cameras and talk to the American People it better be the truth and if not then it is the job of those we elected to call him on it. Maybe this will change things for those who lie to the American People. Americans are sick and tired of lies and mishandling of our money.BY DeathofFreedom on 09/15/2009 at 10:40
It's sad that healthcare is being used,everyone should know the cost is related to the emergency room,busting the budget of most states.Non of this talk will stop that.Fraud is part of the system,and many groups sustain themselves from that built in section of any law ,bill,or right the senate gives to us.How about fixing the horrible bills that have been passed the last 16 years too start.No money in it?BY jmounday on 09/15/2009 at 10:46
It is about time that the "responsible" GOPers step up to the plate and denounce Wilson for his bad behavior ~ well if there are any left. It is absolutely amazing to see how quiet the Republicans are in regards to all the hate mongering going on in their party.BY Claudia Miller  on 09/15/2009 at 10:48
Another reason not to allow gov't run healthcare. To have to prove citizenship, to keep illegals from getting the benefits, would almost surely lead to some sort of national ID system.BY Mike on 09/15/2009 at 10:52

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