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Blue Dog Democrats seek answers on healthcare reform bill cost savings

By Jared Allen and Mike Soraghan - 10/30/09 05:00 AM ET

Centrist Democrats are questioning the cost savings and deficit assumptions that Speaker Pelosi touted in the House healthcare bill.

Centrist House Democrats are questioning the cost savings and deficit assumptions that Speaker Nancy Pelosi touted in introducing a healthcare bill designed specifically to win their support.

The four leaders of the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition have drafted a letter to Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Director Douglas Elmendorf – which the Blue Dogs plan to send Thursday night. In the letter, they ask for additional calculations and explanations about whether the $1.055 billion House bill would reduce federal spending on healthcare and would reduce the deficit, as Pelosi has promised.

This comes after Pelosi (D-Calif.) kept a more liberal version of a government-run health insurance option out of the bill, a necessary move to secure votes from some Blue Dogs.

Pelosi and Democratic leaders on Thursday morning said the bill would cost $894 billion over 10 years and, as Pelosi said repeatedly, would not add “one dime” to the federal deficit. That number got Democrats below the $900 billion threshold laid down by President Barack Obama, but the CBO pegged the legislation’s full cost at $1.055 trillion in a report issued Thursday afternoon after calculating more than just the bill’s health insurance “coverage” costs.

"The president said $900 billion. That's what we have," said Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), after acknowledging that $894 was a "coverage" number.

"That's a problem,” Blue Dog Co-Chairman Rep. Baron Hill (D-Ind.) said. “That means it’s over a trillion.”

Pelosi's office also said the bill would cut the deficit by $30 billion, but the CBO score suggested the House plan could reduce the federal deficit more – by $104 billion across the next 10 years. In the 10 years after that, the plan would "probably" create "slight reductions" in the deficit, the report said, but noted that such an estimate is "subject to substantial uncertainty."

But Blue Dogs aren’t taking either Pelosi or CBO at their word.
In the letter, signed by the four leaders of the 52-member Blue Dog Coalition, the group told Elmendorf they would “appreciate clarification on factors contributing to your projection that deficits may decrease over the second ten years.”

“To what degree of certainty, can you determine that this legislation will not increase the deficit in the second ten years?” read the letter.

The Blue Dogs are also questioning the assumptions that the House bill would reduce federal spending on healthcare over the long term -- what’s generally referred to as “bending the cost curve” downward -- and have asked CBO to calculate how policy changes could further “bend the curve.”

“Your [report] leaves unclear,” they wrote Elmendorf, “whether the Affordable Health Care for America Act takes the steps necessary to effectively ‘bend the cost curve.’”

“Would this legislation reduce the long-term rate of growth in federal health spending?,” the letter reads. “What policy changes, if any, to this legislation could reduce the rate of growth in federal health spending?”

What’s more – and what may cause the biggest headache for Pelosi – is that the Blue Dog leaders said their ability to support the House bill is contingent upon CBO’s timely response, and possibly on what that response says.

“In order to make an informed decision about the legislation, we believe it is necessary to have a full and clear description of its long-term budgetary effects as CBO can provide,” they wrote.

Blue Dogs in July were able to force into the Energy and Commerce healthcare draft bill a public option with negotiated rates, and their continued insistence led to the inclusion of that version of the public option in the final bill introduced Thursday.

How this renewed stand over costs affects the final vote tally remains to be seen, but Democratic aides were hopeful that, at the very least, it would not affect their preferred timeline of having the bill voted on before Veteran’s Day.

“Lowering health care costs over the long-term is very important to these Members,” a leadership aide said. “They simply want clarification of CBO’s analysis.”

Source:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/65497-blue-dogs-seek-answers-on-health-bill-cost-savings

Comments (10)

Hey Congressman Baron Hill, As you said at the rally you had in New Albany Indiana, your college age daughter has a preexisting condition and you are concerned she has the chance to get health insurance. Well she will have to work for a big company, a union or the government if nothing changes and then only if she is lucky. Working for herself or starting her own business will be out of the question. The cost of not passing this health insurance reform bill is far greater than anything else in the world. Please wake up Blue Dogs and pass the bill now! resident of Floyd County, IndianaBY Chris McK on 10/30/2009 at 12:02
No, the cost of passing this legislation is far more likely to further damage the economy, hurt those who can ill afford it, hurt businesses and those they employ, and still not insure "everyone". If our leaders were sincere in their efforts to help us, they would address the core issues that prevent us from comparison shopping for both drugs and insurance, implement tort reform and provide a safety net for those who honestly cannot afford to help themselves. Anything beyond that is garbage, which is exactly what we will end up with after these self-serving fools are finished with it. Doing something just to be doing it is not necessarily in our best interests and this is one occasion where that is most certainly true.BY Glennis on 10/30/2009 at 12:41
Chris Mack: So what you are saying is that you have no problem with the Communist takeover of America that Obama, Pelosi and Reid are running? You would gladly sell your soul to the devil for another "free" handout? The passing of this scam drives America further into bankrupcy and adds another nail into the coffin of American freedom. Think abotu and study Karl Marx, if somebody wanted the ultimate control over your life what better way would there be to get it than to control who lives and who dies? The only other aspect that is possibly more important is money, and Obama already owns that aspect, and food, oh yeah he ownst ha tone too. Let him get health care and you will have no freedoms left. But I guess your getting something else for free is more important. You are NOT a Patrotic American, you are a Pathetic American!BY Glen on 10/30/2009 at 14:06
Time and time again, the Blue Dogs are more lap dogs than watch dogs of the Democratic House leadership. They vote 80% of the time with Nancy Pelosi, Henry Waxman and George Miller, all from California. And we should recall that their political philsophy is the same one spend and spend and spend, and tax and tax and tax, has their home state in near bankrutpcy. So Blue Dogs what are you ? WATCH DOGS OR LAP DOGS?"BY Walter on 10/30/2009 at 15:42
Congressman Hill and the other so-called Blue Dogs need to realize that Obama is prepared to sacrifice their political careers so he can be FDR junior. Vote for anything that puts the Government in control of healthcare or insurance and you WILL be out of office next election. Count on it. The rise of Conservatisim is gaining momentum, putting the percentage of Conservatives in America at more than double that of Liberals. Read the UK Telegraph article.BY Malborg on 10/30/2009 at 16:20
ok…i was listening to some key points being read from the bill and i dont care what anyone says…unless you read it or listen to someone read it you do not know the facts.this bill is a nuclear bomb about to go off.this bill has many many taxes inside it.this bill hurts business on a full scale spectrum huge and small…this bill hurts the rich and the poor…this bill hurts everyone that DOESNT have a job.this bill after signed immediately starts consuming the increases immediately after signed even though it doesnt go into effect until the next presidential election.people are so consumed by having healthcare that they dont realize all the spending is going to kill us.has anyone seen any german stamps or money after ww2?my friend has a ton of them…when you have a stamp that says 2 million on it or a money that have 50 million on it…that isnt good.they thought they could keep printing money and fix the system…what happened?CRASH.alot of people dont do the fact checking ..people dont look around themselves and people dont listen to all the voices.if theres one thing i know about americans..when its not oppressing them individually they dont care but boy when it affects them personally boy they will shout from the rooftops.you people praising your pathetic god obama will get your justice when people find out you not only wanted our country to die so you could sit around and be a lazy scumbag.BY Tranzwarr on 10/30/2009 at 17:27
…also in my note above i forgot to interject "until after the next prez election"and for all of your idiots who say the republicans havent come up with anything..that is FALSE.everything they have come up with has be voted down by your buddies the dems so it never reaches the light of day. if you do some fact checking you will find they have offered up some decent parts.we need a huge march on washington…and i mean huge…this 1 million man crap is for sissy's..im talking 20 million people…shake the whitehouse to its foundation…scare the crap out of our government…theres not enough troops in the country to affect that many people much less contain it.quid pro quo runs our country…for you people who dont know its a smart mans way of say you scratch my back and ill scratch yours…buying and selling favors…blackmai l,lies and deceit.man it is soooo obvious.i currently dont like either side…i think there are some future contenders though…i think we need to remove all politicians currently and not allow them to be involved with any company or entity that is involved with the country.start over and create an awesome new beginning before it is to late.we do have the power to do so…the people are the key to fixing this mess… not the government.BY Tranzwarr on 10/30/2009 at 17:39
How can we spend $900 billion or $1.1 trillion and not add to the deficit? Everyone should look at www.usdebtclock.com and then to try to reaonably explain our way out of this mess - the current strategy seems to be spend more, faster, and pretend that it was all a bad dream.BY Steve Coplon on 10/30/2009 at 17:56
Way to go BARON…1000 medical jobs here…a 1000 medical jobs lost there…BUT WHOSE COUNTING???? Certainly not you…as for the next election…I think people are smarter this time around…esp the younger generation…BY voteout baronhill on 10/30/2009 at 20:16
Government control is the logical response when a group or industry fails to act responsibly. We have seen time and again that self regulation does not work. Our foreign policy philosophy since Roosevelt has been to walk softly and carry a big stick. Our philosophy in regulating the financial and insurance industry has been to walk softly and have them tape money to the stick. Now that the under regulated banking industry has flushed the world economy down the tubes and the insurance industry has successfully lobbied to reduce or restrict competition, cherry pick customers and finance a large portion of both parties re-election campaigns…LETS BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE!BY Jim on 10/31/2009 at 11:26

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