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Democrats whipping on abortion compromise to save health bill

By Mike Soraghan - 11/03/09 12:22 PM ET

Democratic House leaders have developed a compromise they hope will resolve an intra-caucus dispute about whether the health bill allows tax dollars to subsidize abortions, and they’re surveying abortion-rights opponents in the caucus to gauge support.

The language is not yet publicly available, but lawmakers familiar with it say it strengthens an existing provision intended to prevent abortion from getting any federal dollars.

“It makes it clear that no federal dollars can be used for abortion procedures. Those words are in there,” Rep. Baron Hill (D-Ind.) said Monday night. He had been given a copy of the language, but hadn't fully reviewed it and hadn't decided if it was sufficient.

The question of whether the subsidies for poor and middle-income people can pay for plans that cover abortion is one of the final, major sticking points in the healthcare legislation. Leaders are hoping to start debate Friday or Saturday, and say there will definitely be a vote before Nov. 11, Veterans Day.

Lawmakers have said the abortion compromise may not be included in the final version of the bill to be released as soon as today, called the “managers amendment.” Instead it may be included in the “rule” which is done the day before the vote. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said today he did not consider that a violation of his pledge to have the bill language available for three days before a vote.

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) has said he has the votes to use a procedural maneuver to block the bill from coming up if abortion opponents don’t get an up-or-down vote on an amendment that bans abortion services from the “essential benefits package” and prevents individuals who receive affordability credits from using those credits to purchase a plan that includes abortion.

Democrats have begun whipping on the procedural vote — the "rule." That means they are asking fellow House Democrats, particularly abortion opponents, if they will back leadership on the procedural rule.

Abortion-rights supporters say the bill as written maintains the status quo — that federal funds cannot be used for abortion. They say Stupak’s proposal goes too far in preventing people from buying coverage that includes abortion.

Source:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/66069-democrats-whipping-on-abortion-compromise

Comments (25)

KEITH, the issue is not for or against abortion. The issue is should tax dollars pay for abortion. The choice of abortion should be a choice women have, but that does not mean i should pay for it. The same way I can choose to stop and have a couple beers on the way home tonight, tax payers should not have to pay for that choice either.BY Mark X on 11/03/2009 at 15:24
People who feally should get abortions won't be able to get them. I guess we can support a few more mouths to feed and educate.BY iona on 11/03/2009 at 15:39
Safe and Legal, honey. Keep your religious hypocrite laws off my body. The only reason for this endless anti choice stance is to get women "back in their place". I'm sick of you primarily republican "family value" types spewing your dangerous double standard nonsense.BY arlene on 11/03/2009 at 15:42
Well put MARKX.While I strongly oppose abortion, I am even more adament against having my tax dollars pay for it. I'm am so scared for our country with Obama, Reid and Pelosi in charge. God help us all!BY Life Saver on 11/03/2009 at 15:50
Yes IONA, because without tax money, nobody gets abortions in this country. Abortions take place every day in this country, regardless of your personal views, they do take place. The point is, it is not the tax payers that should pick up the tab. ARLENE, if you want to have an abortion it is your choice, just stay out of my wallet.BY Mark X on 11/03/2009 at 15:54
Idealogues above, please note: just as the existing legislation wouldn't have provided benefits to illegal immigrants, it would NOT have covered abortions, either.What's going on now, as then, is spurious debate as to whether FURTHER language—- just language, not any different policy—- is required to make it EVEN MORE CLEAR that no $ is going to be provided for abortions.For all the idealogues above who're spouting venom—- your pithy predictable partisanship drips from your keyboards like the weak, acrid fear-mongering slathers from your tongues. You can't tolerate debate, so you scream holler nonsense angrily. Bravo. Best of America right there.BY HONEstAbe on 11/03/2009 at 15:55
Abortion has literaly allowed the blacks to impose genocide on their own kind. NO taxpayer funded abortions PERIOD! You wanna get knocked up then pay for it yourself.BY TC Patriot on 11/03/2009 at 14:55*********** *************** *************** ****Clearly a comment from someone who is ignorant, uninformed, racist, too lazy to think for themselves, and every other negative connotation that goes with this infectious breed of so called "Americans" spawned by idiots like Limbaugh, Beck, and Palin. BTW, you're not a patriot, you're a racist fascist!BY Blue Esquire on 11/03/2009 at 15:56
TC Patriot - good thing you don't write things on the internet that might make you sound racist…You do know that it was an all white supreme court that ruled on Roe vs. Wade in 1973? You also know that the woman involved in this case was white right?BY DJH on 11/03/2009 at 16:34
Honestabe - well said…this is all back room, parliamentary B.S. It is language…a bunch of lawyers fighting over words like "will provide" vs. "shall provide"Blue Esquire - Agree…what's with TC Patriot? Is he blogging from Alabama circa 1958?By the way, for those ideologues screaming about this issue…how many of you have actually read the court case Roe vs. Wade. I would bet 1 out of 10. Is it ironic that the state of Texas argued against abortion saying, "the government has fiduciary responsibility and it is in the state's best interest to protect the health and well-being of all of its citizens, born and unborn." Pretty funny that the same people that argued that are now arguing against the government trying to protect the health and well-being by providing health care to all Americans.BY dave13 on 11/03/2009 at 16:43
Throw the entire bill out and fix Medicare and Medicade. Show us what you've got.BY GJ on 11/03/2009 at 16:45
DJH - what a great comment. So true.BY GJ on 11/03/2009 at 16:45
HONESTABE…Who is hate filled? You said, For all the idealogues above who are spouting venom—- your pithy predictable partisanship drips from your keyboards like the weak, acrid fear-mongering slathers from your tongues. You are just full of tolerance and understanding.BY Mark X on 11/03/2009 at 16:52
I would rather subsidize an abortion now than 18 years of welfare, food stamps, medicaid, etc. So all of you folks preaching "Stay out of my wallet" don't have a case. You will pay, $2967 for housing, $1542 for food and $507 in health insurance for each child per year. And during the pregnancy you will pay the mom to be welfare, food stamps and medicaid. For example, In Missouri welfare pays $264 cash per month, $134 food stamps per month, and medicaid.BY JN7854 on 11/03/2009 at 18:48
JN7854, Finally an intelligent argument. While I respectfully disagree, I am sincere when I say it is a well thought out case. From my point of view, that would be similar to not locking up an armed robber because it would cost to house and feed them. While abortion is not criminal, my analogy may seem to break down there, there is a point. If there is no consequence for actions, those actions are encouraged. So from that point of view, criminals are not held accountable, crime will increase. If abortion is easier, tax paid, then my point is abortions will increase. This is just a different viewpoint.BY Mark X on 11/03/2009 at 19:37
TC would mean a Traverse City Michigan patriot one assumes. People without jobs and nothing to do. Pathetic and traitorous to Dems- Bart Stupak- using abortion (like there are any anywhere now) to hold our health care solutions hostage- I won't vote for this guy again- I suspect he will run for Gov. in Michigan- and that this is the worst kind of self-promotion. Michigan desperately needs health care for many citizens in poor-out of work rural areas. His actions jeopardize for all while he garners publicity for his own purpose. Is he a Lieberman? We are beginning to wonder. Whats his position on illegal wars, wars of aggression? Killing millions anonymously with munitions and drones? Moral my ass.BY Michigan on 11/03/2009 at 21:31

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