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Dems tackle hot-button issues ahead of health vote coming Saturday

By Mike Soraghan and Molly K. Hooper - 11/04/09 08:42 PM ET

The House is headed toward a rare Saturday evening vote as Democratic leaders scramble to placate party factions threatening to defeat the healthcare bill over hot button issues such as spending, immigration and abortion.

Meanwhile, AARP is poised to formally endorse the House healthcare bill, according to the AP. The endorsement would be a huge boost to the legislation and would come six years after consumer group infuriated Democrats by backing President George W. Bush’s Medicare prescription drug measure.

House Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) said she expects the voting to either conclude by 6 p.m. Saturday, or start at 6 p.m., meaning voting would be over around 7 p.m.

The timing means fewer people are likely to see the vote live, but will make it into Sunday papers and dominate the political talk shows. Some members noted that the debate will conflict with the Jewish Sabbath.

“My rabbi said there’s a Talmudic exemption for the public option,” said Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.).

On Wednesday, lawmakers started clarifying their positions. Two committee chairmen — Armed Services Chairman Ike Skelton (D-Mo.) and Science and

Technology Chairman Bart Gordon (D-Tenn.) — announced they will oppose the bill, and two freshmen who voted against the bill in committee switched to support it.

Agriculture Committee Chairman Collin Peterson (D-Minn.) previously announced he would oppose the bill.

Although the Democrats lost two governors’ mansions in Tuesday’s election, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) picked up two more votes: John Garamendi, who replaced  a Democrat in California, and Bill Owens, who won a GOP-held seat in upstate New York. Pelosi said Owens called his win a “victory for healthcare.”

“From our perspective, we won last night,” Pelosi said Wednesday. “We had one race we got involved in.”

The Rules Committee will meet Friday afternoon to consider what amendments to the healthcare bill should be allowed on the House floor.

Republicans will get a chance to offer their substitute, but it appears unlikely that Democrats will get the up-or-down votes many of them want for a Medicare-based public option, a single-payer system or assurance that no tax dollars will fund abortions.

Some of those Democratic groups are threatening to vote against the bill or against the procedural motion to bring the bill to the floor. Voting against the procedural motion is considered an act of party disloyalty.

The abortion issue, simmering for months, is threatening the bill, though leaders say they’re confident it can be resolved. Anti-abortion groups and some

Democrats who oppose abortion rights say the bill that Pelosi introduced last week would allow tax dollars to subsidize abortions. Abortion rights supporters say the bill maintains the status quo, preventing taxpayers from subsidizing abortions.

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), an abortion-rights opponent, has repeatedly said he has enough votes to block consideration of the healthcare bill unless he gets a vote on his amendment barring the bill’s subsidies from going to plans that cover abortion. Earlier this week, Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D-Ind.) floated compromise language designed to strengthen assurances that the current language doesn’t allow public dollars to fund abortions.

Ellsworth told The Hill on Wednesday that several of his colleagues said they would support the rule if his amendment was included in the package.

Though he would not reveal their names, Ellsworth said that three lawmakers opposed to abortion rights would buck Stupak if the Congressional Research Service verified the intent of his proposal.
 
He received that verification on Tuesday night.

“We got a document that verified that no dollars, no federal dollars would go toward paying for abortions,” he said noting that he was still working with the Catholic Bishops association to garner additional support.

But Ellsworth's plan has run into opposition from anti-abortion groups. NRLC Legislative Director Doug Johnson accused Ellsworth of "bayoneting" abortion opponents in the back with an amendment that some abortion opponents have dubbed an "abortion money-laundering scam."

“That was pretty harsh,” Ellsworth said of the attack. “For a guy that has 100 percent pro-life, a zero from NARAL and one hundred percent from right to life until this point.”

Still, Rep. Mike Doyle (D-Pa.) lobbied members hard for the compromise during votes, conferring extensively with fellow abortion opponents like Reps. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) and Steve Driehaus (D-Ohio).

Doyle and at least 13 other Democratic abortion-rights opponents huddled Wednesday afternoon in the office of House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.). Hoyer is an abortion-rights supporter, but he is also centrists’ contact in leadership. They went over a new Congressional Research Service report that said the bill maintains the status quo enshrined years ago as the “Hyde amendment.”

That satisfied some of those in the meeting, like Reps. Earl Pomeroy (D-N.D.) and Tim Ryan (D-Ohio). But others appeared to want more assurance.

“We’re still discussing ways of ensuring that no federal dollars can go to abortion,” said Rep. Jim Langevin (D-R.I.). “The more clarity we give the issue, the better I feel about it.”

Abortion-rights supporters were to meet with Pelosi and Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) later Wednesday to discuss the issue.

One participant said they don’t expect to win over all Democratic abortion opponents.

“It might come down to who’s gonna listen to the bishops and who’s going to listen to the Speaker,” the participant said.

Also, Blue Dog Democrats say that as many as 30 members of the fiscally conservative caucus are considering voting against the bill because of concerns that it will increase healthcare costs in its second 10 years.

The Congressional Hispanic Caucus was also weighing its options on what to do about a push by some vulnerable centrist members to block illegal immigrants from being able to buy insurance on the bill’s “exchanges,” even with no subsidy.

Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) said he “would have a hard time voting for” a bill or procedural measure that did that.

“I’m tired of feeding hatred and bigotry,” Gutierrez said.

The debate is stoking intense passions. Gutierrez said it reminded him that while former President George W. Bush used the term “undocumented workers,” President Barack Obama switched to “illegal immigrants” in his healthcare speech to Congress.

“He calls them illegal aliens and degrades and dehumanizes them,” Gutierrez said.

Leaders are also working out whether they can honor a commitment to Weiner for an up-or-down vote on a “single-payer” plan when Pelosi has indicated she doesn’t want to allow amendments beyond a GOP substitute.

Slaughter indicated that Weiner may get a chance to offer a standalone single-payer bill before the healthcare vote, possibly on Friday.

Source:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/66457-saturday-health-vote

Comments (20)

I am for Health Care reform, but I am against any more pictures like this one of Nancy Pelosi. Seriously. Is that Skelator dressed up as the Speaker of the HouseBY DJH on 11/04/2009 at 22:43
Congressman Gutierrez's quote: "I am tired of feeding hate and bigotry" is such a crock! Healthcare for those who BREAK THE LAW and enter this country illegally and work illegally! Hey Mr. Gutierrez, can I break the law too? I won't pay my taxes anymore! Can I scream racism when the IRS comes to arrest me? I think the IRS discriminates against me! It's amazing how much our politicians pander to every group to the point now where one group of people can break the law and there are no consequences! This is what Americans are fed up with. We are fed up with being told we have to work, pay taxes, bail-out banks, pay for everyone else's mortgage and healthcare, and obey the law! Representative Gutierrez needs to be reminded that he is a representative in the Congress of the United States! The Congress he sits in passed the laws that the people he is referring to are breaking! Is it fair that one group is above the law and everyone else must obey it? Libs always say we must be a nation of laws. How about we start with immigration laws? Today, in America, a hard working person who speeds on the highway has more of a consequence than someone who breaks immigration laws! I am already waiting for everyone to start calling me a racist. It seems to be the only thing libs have left when faced with facts and reasonable arguments, just scream racist.BY ABFan on 11/04/2009 at 23:33
A CDC report just released indicated that there are over 8,000 deaths of pre-mature infants each year which appear to be largely due to lack of healthcare for low-income mothers. While I sympathize with the abortion opponents they need to stop haggling over fine print and move on with the business of preventing those 8,000 deaths.BY Mark from atlanta on 11/05/2009 at 02:02
This bill has death written all over it . . . Death to seniors. Death to children in the womb. Death to the American Economy. Death to responsible government. Death to medical progress and choice. Death to the American way of life. Hey, but it is free, right?BY San Francisco Greg on 11/05/2009 at 03:07
any of my congressmen, or senators who vote for this monster will not get my vote in the next election.BY joe bob on 11/05/2009 at 09:20
It appears that both Mark and Greg are lone voices in their respective communities! : )BY Kevin on 11/05/2009 at 09:25
Why would a group like AARP suddenly get on the Health Care Showboat ? Some sort of "deal' perhaps having been made that will benefit them over other Insurance Companies ? Perhaps some seniors should consider where AARP"s true intrest lies. Is it in the work they perform for their members or the money they hope to make from "a deal' ? Don't listen to what they say , watch what they do…Emo Zipper 11.05.09BY Emo Zipper on 11/05/2009 at 09:54
Americans continue to be outspoken about your disapproval of this particular piece of legislation. We need healthcare reform, but we need jobs first. We need healthcare reform, but we need the economy to comeback fisrt. We need healthcare reform for Americans not for illegal aliens first. We need healthcare reform: one that is done is a fiscally responsible manner and without the Progressive Party's Agenda!!!! Be vigilent America our voices are being heard…strartin g with the elections the other evening!!! The Democrats can discount these elections all they would like. There is a ground swell of discontentment and it is starting to permeate the corridors of the Capital and the White House. The Democrats know thay are in serious troube with the American public. Other than the the recipients who would benefit from this Progressive Agenda healthcare bill who always line up for something when they hear three words: "IT''S FOR FREE" it dies not help the average American. A plethora of social welfare reform did not work in NJ and it will not work across America. We already pay enough in taxes and we do not need one more social welfare program!!!! Say no to this current piece of legislation and ask where are the jobs to pay for this if it does get pased?BY Fran on 11/05/2009 at 10:06
I am not what you would refer to as a "Bible Thumper" but why, everytime I see a picture of Nancy Pelosi, does the term "The Whore of Babylon," pop into my head? I am not trying to use profanity in what I am saying, so I hope this site posts my comments.BY Chris on 11/05/2009 at 10:13
Pelosi, Reid, and Obama are acting AGAINST the majority of American's wishes. Their job is to represent the people, not their own beliefs, not PACS, not special interests, not the fringe.They are abdicating their duty to uphold the Constitution and should be removed from office.BY Wary Independent on 11/05/2009 at 10:16

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