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Midterm backlash may await Speaker Pelosi over Afghanistan troop surge

By Mike Soraghan and Roxana Tiron - 12/02/09 08:36 PM ET

President Barack Obama’s decision to ramp up the war in Afghanistan will put Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) between a rock and a hard place. Someday. Maybe.

Confusion reigned Wednesday about when or if Congress will be called upon to vote on the plan to send an additional 30,000 troops.

Until Pelosi, who doesn’t support the escalation, faces pressure to round up votes, she can basically ignore the split with the president she helped get elected. She will certainly face questions from reporters at her regularly scheduled Thursday press conference, but she won’t have to twist any arms anytime soon.

Pelosi has wriggled through tight spots before. In 2007, she guided a war spending bill with everything President George W. Bush wanted to the floor, and then voted against it.

Last summer, she had to scrape together 18 liberal Democrats to change their votes to pass an Afghanistan supplemental after Republicans withdrew support because of allocated money for the International Monetary Fund. One of her key arguments was that Democrats would incorporate war funding into the regular appropriations process, and they wouldn’t be voting on any more war supplementals.

Some legislators, including powerful Appropriations Defense subcommittee Chairman John Murtha (D-Pa.), said there will have to be a wartime supplemental by the middle of next year. He said it will be $40 billion, not the $30 billion cost Obama cited Tuesday night.

“Tell me, how are you going to pay for the war without a supplemental? They [the Pentagon] do not have the money to operate under the president’s budget —with or without the additional troops,” Murtha said at a press roundtable on Wednesday.

But many interpret Obama’s pronouncement that he is “committed to addressing these costs openly and honestly” to mean that he plans to include the costs in the regular appropriations process rather than a supplemental. Supplementals, used throughout Iraq and Afghanistan by the Bush administration, are considered “emergency spending” and load the costs onto the nation’s credit card balance.

Leadership aides said there will definitely be no war votes by the end of the year. And House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey (D-Wis.), an anti-war advocate, said he doesn’t know how the spending will be handled.

“I don’t make any assumptions,” Obey told The Hill on Wednesday. “They’ll make a decision and then we’ll decide how we’re going to pay for it.”

Emergency supplemental measures are exempt from the discretionary spending limits detailed in the congressional budget resolution.

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said Wednesday that the Pentagon will need an additional $30 billion to $35 billion to pay for the war plan. That money would be on top of the $130 billion requested for war operations as part of the 2010 defense budget. Gates, however, did not specify what form the request for the additional money would take and when it would come.

Murtha said Wednesday that it is his understanding that the White House and the Pentagon would like to see the money added to the 2010 defense appropriations bill currently in negotiations between the House and the Senate. But Murtha made it clear he, Obey and Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii) would oppose such a move.

Obama’s new Afghanistan policy pits the party’s anti-war liberal base against its centrists and a core of Obama loyalists. Pelosi has proven adept at bridging such divides in her party, including at least one time when she opposed the bill she was shepherding.

But every bill presents a new challenge. In the case of Obama’s Afghanistan policy, there isn’t much question that a funding request would pass. Some, if not many, Republicans will swallow what objections they have rather than appear unwilling to support troops in harm’s way. And even opponents of the war acknowledge that enough centrist Democrats would join the GOP to pass a funding bill.

The problem is the erosion in credibility that would come with a majority of congressional Democrats opposing what could be the defining military and foreign policy decision of Obama’s presidency. And there’s also the damage of a top Democratic leader like Pelosi bucking the president.

That explains why, according to Murtha, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel pressed him for his support Tuesday. Murtha is one of the voices Pelosi listens most closely to on defense issues.

Pressed on when there might be a vote on the Afghanistan policy, the Speaker’s office was noncommittal.

“President Obama addressed the nation yesterday,” said Pelosi spokesman Nadeam Elshami. “Congressional committees are beginning to hear testimony from the administration this week, and soon the full House will be briefed by high-level administration representatives about the strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan.”

A supplemental vote could be four to six months away, long enough for circumstances on the ground to change significantly. Including war costs in the regular defense-spending bill might take even longer. The congressional calendar gives Pelosi plenty of room. The House is in for two more short weeks, then is scheduled to be in recess for a month.

But some anti-war liberals, primarily Rep. James McGovern (D-Mass.), are pushing for a debate and vote much sooner than that, even before the end of the year. And McGovern, a member of the powerful Rules Committee, said he is willing to cross leadership to force such a vote.

“I think there needs to be a debate on Afghanistan,” McGovern told The Hill. “Any way we can get one, we should do it.”

McGovern considered pressing the case in a Democratic Caucus meeting Wednesday afternoon on financial regulatory reform, but was assured by Caucus Chairman John Larson (D-Conn.) that there will be a caucus meeting soon on the Afghanistan buildup. Aides say a caucus meeting on Afghanistan will likely be next week, possibly as early as Thursday.

While Afghanistan has dominated Washington news this week, the party’s caucus meetings have focused on the jobs bill and regulatory reform
Centrists who haven’t always sided with Obama have found themselves squarely behind him on Afghanistan.

“I think he’s on the mark,” said Rep. Zack Space (D-Ohio), a sophomore Blue Dog Democrat. “I honestly believe he’s doing the right thing.”

Whether it’s a supplemental, regular appropriations or “sense of Congress” vote, liberals say they will work to persuade as many Democrats as possible to oppose it.

“We’ll try to persuade people to vote against it,” said Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), who voted against the Afghanistan supplemental both times earlier this year.

“There will be a lot of outside pressure as well.”

Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) switched to supporting the supplemental earlier this year at Pelosi’s urging. But he said this time he is firmly opposed.

“I think the time has come to stop it,” McDermott said. “I’ve never been comfortable with this war from the start. It always seemed ill-defined.”

But he won’t find many opponents among the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), of which Obama was once a member. Though CBC members were strongly against Bush’s moves in Iraq, many appear to be giving Obama the benefit of the doubt.

“I think there needs to be a lot of deference to commanders in the field,” said Rep. G.K. Butterfield (D-N.C.).

“The president has to be given time for his policies to work,” added Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) as he and Butterfield walked into a CBC meeting.

CBC Chairwoman Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) is perhaps the most ardent war opponent in Congress, as the lone vote against the 2001 Afghanistan war. But even she spoke deferentially about Obama’s plan.

“I thought it was a very thoughtful and compelling speech,” Lee said. “But I’m totally opposed to his decision to escalate the war.”

And she’s not trying to whip up her colleagues to vote against the troop buildup.

“We haven’t even heard if there will be a vote,” Lee said.

Source:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/70349-war-votes-lie-far-ahead-for-the-speaker

Comments (17)

The Hill persists in reporting on Pelosi as if she was a normal Leader of Congress. — She is hated almost as much as Hasan of Fort Hood. — She is despised almost as much as Eric Holder and his Department of Injustice. — The Hill should begin to understand that the people have reached "critical mass". — The decision to bring those monsters to criminal court in NYC was a tipping point. —————————————————— The decision by Holder to pursue CIA investigations, the attempts to criminalize members of the previous administration in the course of a War On Terror, the "refunding" of a criminal organization like ACORN, the absolution given to convicted "New" Black Panthers threatening people at Polling Places, the refusal to consider a Hate Crime against SEIU in the assault against Gladney in Missouri ———- the list goes on and on. ———————- The Hills' refusal to acknowledge these blatant injustices does not bode well for The Hill. — Spiking stories did not work for the Washington Post or Newsweek or Time or the NYT. — You should try to understand that your readers are probably far more educated than any of you. — Pelosi will be brought down. — But, Eric Holder will have nowhere to go. — He will be followed as in the Greek Myths. — He will have no peace. — And, I think he suspects as much.BY cme on 12/02/2009 at 22:07
Members of both parties were guilty of adding pork for past funding of both Afghanistan and Iraq, during GWB years. Hence the highest pork spending in history in 2008. Then pork went on steroid in 2009. With Nancy Pelosi at the helm, congress has burned through money and now there is concern about finances? Their wastefull spending is directed towards buying off the populace, to endear votes. The Consitution funding of Armed Forces is/should be first and foremost. Politicians need to stop looking at every dollar spent on our military, is a dollar out of their pocket to throw at their constituants.BY Mon on 12/02/2009 at 22:08
The Hill has a grave danger of turning into Politico. Sure hope that doesn't happen.BY AGREE CME on 12/02/2009 at 22:49
Come on! War is cool now that Obama makes it so! Obots to WAR! Kill! Kill! Kill!BY The Black Abe on 12/02/2009 at 23:09
To pay for this perhaps Congress needs to donate half of their pay check for starters.BY bailedout on 12/03/2009 at 04:27
I supported Bush in 2001 when he took us to war in Afghanistan this was before the mess up on the war. Bush was right to go into Afghanistan but wrong to go into Iraq. After 9/11 we need to go to war with the country that was hiding Osama Bin Laden but guess what it is 8 years later he is no longer there Afghanistan does not pose any serious threat at this time as they did then so we don't need to be there and we should end this war and BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!!! If this was 8 years ago I would be supporting this war…however after hundreds of troops dead and billions spent on this war in the last couple of years when we should have left in 2005 or 2006 when it came to our senses that Bush failed to catch Bin Laden and he was no longer there and no reason to waste lives and money when that money could have been spent on preventing this economic recession we are in on top of that just think of all of these troops families birthdays they have missed and how many times they were never with their families for Chirstmas because they were fighting a war for no reason.BY Josh on 12/03/2009 at 08:15
I am sick and tierd of these people in Washington, America wake up, these people only care about them.Now that they are in office, each bill is sold to the personwith the most money.She has been in office this long, and has yet to do anything for the people. America the PAC money isso good, it's like being hooked on drugs, you got to haveit. All bills are past based on the organization thatgave the most PAC money to the law makers. So America forget any help from those in Washington, because, the PAC money is that good.BY Pinch Myself on 12/03/2009 at 08:21
While I am a Democrat who does not enjoy war, and would when possible resolve our problems through diplomacy and other non-military actions, sometimes we have to understand that when our security and safety not as a nation, but rather our households and families are at risk, we need to take up arms and do what is necessary to keep us safe from harm.While Iraq was a mistake, Afghanistan is not. We can not in good faith allow a situation to develop where unsavory elements will be in a position of power and have the ability to grant safe haven to those with the will and means to cause us harm.The solution? Let us take our armed forces and let them do what they uniquely capable of. Securing and holding land. Once that, we have the skill, talent and resources available through our civilian contractors to go in and rebuild their roads, hospitals, and schools.Let us use our power and might to make their country a better place and gain not just a governmental ally, but an ally in their citizens.Let us show the world that we're able to fix our mistakes not by withdrawing troops and refusing to engage the world when required, but by showing compassion by helping them make their country better - all while actively listening to and meeting local cultural, societal and religious needs.Anything less is not worthy of this country I am proud to call home.BY Eric on 12/03/2009 at 10:30
lets take the money that is alotted to every congress person. which is millions. Lets use that money for something meaningful. Pelosi and her bed partners are not meaningfulBY bev g on 12/03/2009 at 11:46
Why is Pelosi still there? She needs to retire. She's extremely wealthy, why are we paying her a salary? Why are we paying any of them a salary when they are all wealthy? I like BEV G's idea to take money alotted to every Congress person and use it for something meaningful.BY Ari on 12/03/2009 at 12:32

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