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Rockefeller's public option defeated 8-15 in Senate Finance Committee vote

By Jeffrey Young - 09/29/09 02:11 PM ET

The Senate Finance Committee rejected Sen. Jay Rockefeller’s (D-W.Va.) amendment to tack a public option onto the committee’s healthcare bill.

After nearly four hours of debate, the amendment fell on an 8-15 vote, with Republicans united against it and Democrats vociferously defending the notion of providing people with a not-for-profit insurance company backed by the government.

But Democrats on the committee did not mirror the GOP’s unity. As expected, Baucus and Democratic Sens. Tom Carper (Del.), Kent Conrad (N.D.), Blanche Lincoln (Ark.) and Bill Nelson (Fla.) joined all 10 of the panel’s Republicans to vote down Rockefeller’s amendment. Notably, Baucus and Conrad, along with Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), spent months trying to strike a deal with three committee Republicans.

Rockefeller issued strong condemnations of the health insurance industry. “The insurance companies, in my judgment, are dedicated to protecting their profits and put their customers second. It’s a harsh statement but a true statement,” he said.

Health insurance companies are “rapacious,” Rockefeller said, pointing to industry practices such as rescinding policies or jacking up premiums when people get sick. “It’s a subject that ought to make us very angry,” he said, but “in the face of all of this, we’re giving them a half a trillion dollars in subsidies. I don’t understand that.”

Baucus said he left the public option out of the bill, and voted against Rockfeller’s amendment, because he did not believe it had enough support in the Senate to make it all the way to President Barack Obama’s desk. “My job is to get a bill that can get 60 votes,” he said. “I can count.

“If this provision is in the bill coming out of the committee, it will jeopardize real, meaningful healthcare reform,” Baucus said. “I want a bill that can become law.”

Nevertheless, Baucus indicated that he has no objection to the proposal itself. “I see a lot to like in the public option,” he said. “The public option would help to keep the insurance companies’ feet to the fire. There’s no doubt about that.”

But Baucus defended his chairman’s mark of the bill, pointing to new insurance market reforms requiring companies to sign up anyone regardless of pre-existing conditions and limiting insurers’ ability to charge higher premiums to older and sicker people. The bill also would assess $67 billion in fees on insurers over 10 years. ”Some of your questions sort of leave the indication that the mark is easy on the insurance industry, and it’s not,” Baucus said.

“We need a public option to create competition and bring down costs,” said Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), who will bring up a separate public option amendment later in the committee markup.

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that by 2015, about 8 million people would sign up for Rockefeller’s plan, though that number would decline as pay rates to medical providers rise above what Medicare pays after two years. Over 10 years, Rockefeller’s public option would save the federal government $50 billion, the CBO projects.

Conrad touted his proposal to create not-for-profit healthcare cooperatives and said that payments to medical providers under Rockefeller’s amendment would be too low and “would bankrupt every major hospital in my state. ... I can’t possibly support an amendment that does that.” Bingaman, a public option supporter who voted for a healthcare bill in the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee, said Rockefeller’s amendment is “not my preferred choice” for the same reason.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) succinctly summed up the Republican view: “A new government plan is nothing more than a Trojan horse for a single-payer healthcare plan in Washington,” he said. “The end result would be a government takeover of our healthcare system.”

Finance Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) wielded an old quotation from President Barack Obama’s 2004 Senate campaign, as well as quotes from Democratic Reps. Jan Schakowsky (Ill.) and Barney Frank (Mass.) and Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein as proof that liberals see the public option as a backdoor to eventually implementing a single-payer system. “The government is not a competitor. It’s a predator,” Grassley said.

The Finance Committee isn’t finished with the public option debate, however. Schumer’s amendment is due for a vote later Tuesday and Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe (Maine) could also raise her amendment that establish a “trigger” that would institute a public option in states with too few private insurance choices. In addition, Democratic and Republican senators have filed amendments to modify or strip Conrad’s language in the bill to create not-for-profit healthcare cooperatives as an alternative to private insurance.

But the committee remains unlikely to advance its legislation with a public option included. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will have to hash out whether the healthcare reform bill that goes to the floor features a public option, however, because the HELP Committee already approved a bill that has one. Reid said last week that while he supports the public option, he think’s Snowe’s trigger proposal is a “doggone good idea” and preferable to Conrad’s co-ops.

Rockefeller declared that the fight is not over. “Public option is on the march,” he said.

The ultimate fate of the public option on the Senate floor is unclear. Liberals strongly back the idea, but centrist Democrats range from opposed to skeptical. But HELP Committee Chairman Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) said Tuesday that he is confident that a public option could win a majority of votes in the Senate. “I have polled senators, and the vast majority of Democrats — maybe approaching 50 — support a public option,” Harkin said on the liberal "Bill Press Radio Show."

Michael O’Brien contributed to this article.

Source:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/60739-public-option-fails-in-senate-committee

Comments (18)

"After nearly four hours of debate, the amendment fell on a 8-15 vote that mostly broke down along party lines, with Republicans united against it and Democrats vociferously defending the notion of providing people with a not-for-profit insurance company backed by the government."When 5 democrats out of 13 on this committee join all republicans in voting against the public option, it did not mostly break down along party lines as the author seeks to have others believe. These numbers indicate that there was bi-partisan opposition to the public option and that only the extreme left wing of the democratic party voted for this.BY Top Gun on 09/29/2009 at 15:45
How can you say "that mostly broke down along party lines, with Republicans united against it and Democrats vociferously defending the notion of providing people with a not-for-profit insurance company backed by the government."The vote by the 13 Democrats was 8 to 5. The Democrats got only 61% of the votes of their own party.BY TomSD on 09/29/2009 at 15:50
schummmmmmer you and your buddies collapse the housin and banking industry. you collapse the auto industry. We the people are not going to let you DESTROY THIS NATION. We are proud of this Nation, our Healthcare is the best and you and your Unions can go to Helen Waite. If you government officals and Unions are not good enough to be on government issued Healthcare We the CITIZENS/VOTERS/ TAXPAYERS ARE NOT EITHER. LET'S START TAKING AWAY SOME GOVERNMENT WORKERS BENEFITS AND PAY AND THAT MEANS YOU SCHUMMMMMMER AND YOUR THUGS. 2010 CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH.BY jake2 on 09/29/2009 at 15:54
I am from Florida, and I think it would be a good idea for Sen. Bill Nelson,D-FL, to vote against the so-called "cooperatives" as well, which, in my voting opinion, are nothing more than a "ruse" for the government to completely take over healthcare by going in the back door as opposed to the front. I hope that Sen. Nelson is paying attention.BY Independent voter on 09/29/2009 at 16:03
VICTORY for the insurance companies. The rest of us lose — AGAIN! What a surprise?! We need to get away from campaign financing through special interest groups. Our country is sick and dying — literally.BY DeliaK on 09/29/2009 at 16:40
Bill Nelson needs to be watched closely.having said that .**** @Rockefeller we are on the march to an we dont want you public option.BY ANN on 09/29/2009 at 17:06
Schumer is one of the good guys, Jake…better brush up on your US history. The housing and auto industry and banking fiasco comes in lieu of .. guess what… DEREGULATION!!! Yeah, and Reagan and 'Contract with America' played a HUGE.. HUGE.. role in this!!! Be careful what you wish for, it is the Unions in this country that keeps the rest of us from working in sweat shops!! What's going to truly destroy this nation is ignorance. This is win for insurance companies, not the American people!! Hopefully rest of Dems will grow a backbone and get onboard with Schumer, Rockefeller!!BY WahSupDoc on 09/29/2009 at 18:09
DUH Quote of the Day: “The insurance companies, in my judgment, are dedicated to protecting their profits and put their customers second. It’s a harsh statement but a true statement”Yet, if Congress would move towards greater competition, not be the US gov becoming a competitor, but by allowing insurance companies to cross state lines, the profits of these insurance companies would be highly dependent on putting the needs of the patients first as the patients would then have an advantage of choice.Somehow I don't expect Congress to move towards allowing more choice… they seem very focused on removing choices from the people they represent.BY Ed on 09/29/2009 at 18:19
"JAKE": what the [***] are you talking about? Bush the Rubberstamp DeRegulationist Republican Congress broke the damned economy, jackass. Pull your head out of your collective amnesia come to the table to discuss what to do about the Health Care runaway train that's drowning our economy like an anchor. But no, it's too much fun being a pitiful toxic viper, isn't it.BY HonestAbe on 09/29/2009 at 18:34
The greedy unions pushed businesses too far to remain competitive, the stockholders greedily pushed for higher returns which pushed companies overseas, Clinton greedily wanting to look like the president of homeownership pushed creditors to lend to unworthy applicants, Bush said we could have tax cuts even while at war,…GREED - one of the 7 deadly sins is killing this country. Everyone wants 2 pieces of pie enjoying the one they deserve.BY hereswahsupdoc on 09/29/2009 at 18:38

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