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Fight to allow weapons aboard Amtrak trains could derail transportation bill

By Walter Alarkon - 10/25/09 03:57 PM ET

A push in Congress for broader gun rights is threatening to derail Amtrak and stall a transportation spending bill.

Gun-rights advocates in Congress are pressing appropriators to keep a provision that would let Amtrak passengers check in handguns with their baggage.

The provision, which calls for withholding $1.5 billion in Amtrak funding if the policy isn't implemented before April, was inserted into the $68.8 billion Senate transportation and housing and urban development spending bill as an amendment. All 40 Republicans, 27 Democrats and one independent voted for the amendment, sponsored by Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.).

Amtrak and its defenders in Congress have argued that the government-owned train company needs more time and resources before it could allow firearms onto trains.

“We don’t think we’ll be able to do that March 31 deadline, and, of course, finding the funding to make all of that happening,” said Amtrak spokesman Steve Kulm. Failing to meet that deadline and missing out $1.5 billion in appropriated funds, its entire funding request for 2010, would bring a “cessation of train service nationwide,” Amtrak Chairman Thomas Carper wrote to appropriators last month.

Kulm said that Amtrak trains and stations lack security systems seen at airports, baggage cars that are separate from passenger areas and a secure baggage loading area. Under its current policy, only law enforcement officers can bring guns onto its trains.

The Senate bill still needs to be reconciled with a House version that doesn’t include the guns provision.

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), the appropriator who sponsored the Senate’s transportation spending bill, voted against the provision. Murray is concerned that complying with the provision would be cost-prohibitive for Amtrak, said Alex Glass, a Murray spokeswoman.

Negotiations over the bill are ongoing and that the provision is likely to be one of the last to be addressed by House and Senate conferees, Glass said.

Measures to allow guns on trains have bipartisan support in both chambers.

Senators had adopted another amendment allowing guns on Amtrak trains as part of the budget resolution in April. The provision, which had the support of 22 Democrats, was stripped out of the budget resolution conference.

In the House, a stand-alone bill sponsored by Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) and backed by three centrist Democrats would make permanent a policy allowing guns.

“Amtrak opposes this at their own peril,” said a spokesman for Wicker, Jordan Stoick. “This is a very pro-gun Congress. It has proved that multiple times.”

Gun-rights proponents have noted that Amtrak has allowed passengers’ guns on its trains before, deciding to ban them only after the 2001 terror attacks.

“The most important point is that this would not be a new policy for Amtrak,” said Andrew Arulanandam, spokesman for the National Rifle Association. “This would just be reverting to what was Amtrak policy prior to 9/11.”

The Amtrak provision isn’t the only controversial weapons provision tucked into broader bills.

An amendment blocking Washington, D.C. officials from regulating guns was adopted by the Senate in February as part of a D.C. voting rights bill. Democratic leaders in the House have since withheld consideration of the bill, which would which would give the District a House member with full voting rights. To ease its passage without the gun amendment, Democrats are considering attaching the voting rights measure to the 2010 Defense spending bill.

This month, Congress passed and the president signed into law a conference report for the Homeland Security spending bill that prevents spring-assisted pocketknives from being classified as illegal switchblades. U.S. Customs and Border Protection had proposed changing the definition of those pocketknives, but the NRA and a bipartisan group in Congress opposed the move.

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Comments (45)

This is reason number two to throw murray out in 2010. she has been a big supporter of THE BALLOON BOY AND ALL HIS ANTICS. It is time to clean house folks these are all the people that let dodd, frank, reid, pelosi, obama, waters, deadfish, schummmmmmer, rape the taxpayers when they caused the ACORN housing banking scandal.BY jake2 on 10/25/2009 at 17:37
Another bait and switch doulble talk moment brought to us by used car salespersons called Congress. We need to bring Congress into the 21st Century as soon aS POSSIBLE,Yester day would be fine. Congress as it is today replicates the LOGISTICAL need of the late 1700's up til Globalism /WTO/Allowance of Full foriegn ownership of Formerly AMERICAN business[signin g of Ureguay Rounds by WJC 1993]. This inefficient now group in old days was conveint as you could not always junmp ona horse,wagon or train to DC to deal a problem ,etc.WE no longer can afford the stupidity that gets elected to replicate OLD logistics. A fully vetted registration for a State and Federal Citizen lottery for ALL representation and the power to pass would be by ENcrypted multiplex votes on redundant sytems so ZERO hacking would be possible.2 -4 year tems and NO ELECTION CIRCUS OR corruption tolerated.AS is the corruption allowed by WTO intrusion will finish this country back to the third world. TW O.BY GRO on 10/25/2009 at 18:00
I think we need to do a threesome. Throw schummmmmmer, murray and reid OUT, OUT, OUT.BY jake2 on 10/25/2009 at 18:40
Wow - what a bunch of wack jobs! Now you want to make it easy for terrorists to hijack our passenger trains by selling them weapons at gun shows without any background checks, then making it legal to bring them on the trains. You people should all be put on a train with a few terrorists carrying AK47's. We'll see who comes out alive. Remember that the terrorists don't care if they live or not - they've got their virgins waiting for them.BY tammster on 10/25/2009 at 19:48
Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly… AMTRAC has no metal detectors, secure loading areas, or separate luggage cars. So, although it bans guns, if has no way of actually enforcing these bans, no way of securing the trains, and no way of protecting passengers from deranged gunmen.However, in order to allow firearms in checked luggage, it needs these security measures all of a sudden.Isn't that a little backwards?BY GML on 10/25/2009 at 20:02
The same idiot that run Amtrack wants to run your healthcare, How does that make you feel?????????????PUKEBY Jake2 on 10/25/2009 at 20:57
you're all idiots…simmer down now!BY Arthur on 10/25/2009 at 21:11
everyone in america is being snookered. what happens when the world forgets the dollar and moves onto the euro? oh wait, bankrupted america. You're all distracted. the Jake2's of the world and the liberals of the world. alllll distracted.. so go ahead jake 2 make your silly posts. When you only have 3$ worth of food per week.. you'll see the real truth.. well not here you won't have internet…dollar will need 10-20 years.. can you say 25% unemployment!?BY Lloyd c on 10/25/2009 at 21:38
All you brainwashed liberal whiners need to stop and listen to the voice of experience. When was the last time ANY of you actually witnessed an attack by "a deranged gunman", OR "a terrorist"? (Oh, I know, but you've heard of several blown all out of proportion by the news media.) YOU ARE PARANOID NON-THINKERS! "Terrorism" is a totally false "threat" created by U.S. government agencies so emotional fools will willingly accept severe limitations on their Constitutionall y guaranteed rights and freedoms. C.I.A. retired (28 years service), I know the facts. If everyone is armed, no one will DARE misbehave. Disarming the public only helps create dead victims, it cannot prevent crime.BY Ernest on 10/25/2009 at 22:36
I find it eternally bothersome that the spinmeisters always present everything obliquely,to suit THEIR ends. The firearms would be in the checked baggage,yet they present the issue to be construed (by the general populace) as CARRYING firearms on the train.tBY STOPGAP on 10/26/2009 at 00:23

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