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As evidence of this claim, Perry pointed to the president’s appointments to the high court.

“When you see his appointment of two, from my perspective, inarguably activist judges, whether it was …” Perry said, then was unable to come up with the name of Sotomayor. At one point, Perry guessed that the justice’s name was “Montemayor,” before a member of the paper’s editorial board stepped in and provided him the name he was searching for.

The moment was reminiscent of an embarrassing gaffe in a Republican debate last month, in which Perry was unable to come up with one of the Cabinet-level agencies that he had proposed eliminating. 

Compounding the Sotomayor gaffe was a moment later in the conversation when Perry suggested the court had eight justices. In fact, the Supreme Court has nine.

“For Washington to tell a local school district that you cannot have prayer and a time of prayer in school is, I think, offensive to most Americans,” Perry said. “I trust the people of the states to make those decisions. I trust those independent school districts to make those decisions better than eight unelected, and frankly unaccountable judges.”