Former President ObamaBarack Hussein ObamaThe Memo: Biden, bruised by Afghanistan, faces a critical test in Ukraine Is the US capable of thinking strategically? Juan Williams: GOP infighting is a gift for Democrats MORE says while change can't come soon enough for some Americans, for others it might be coming "too rapidly" to feel comfortable.

"You end up having, on the one hand, change happening very rapidly, too rapidly for a big portion of the population," Obama said during a "CBS Mornings" interview alongside Bruce Springsteen on Monday. "For another portion of the population, it's like, 'You know, how long are we gonna keep having to defer this dream?'" he said.

The ex-commander in chief and the "Born to Run" singer appeared for their first joint sit-down to promote their new book out this week based on their Spotify podcast of the same name, "Renegades: Born in the U.S.A." 


Asked by CBS's Anthony Mason about seeing himself as an "outsider," Springsteen replied, "That's the American story, you know? When I was young, I felt voiceless. I felt invisible, and I think we're in trouble and that a lot of people do feel very voiceless."

"And Donald TrumpDonald TrumpMan sentenced to nearly four years for running scam Trump, Biden PACs Meadows says Trump's blood oxygen level was dangerously low when he had COVID-19 Trump endorses David Perdue in Georgia's governor race MORE was, you know, he had the cynicism and the carny ability to play on that part of our weakness," Springsteen, 72, said. The Broadway musician has been a vocal critic of Trump, once saying Obama's successor doesn't "have a grasp of the deep meaning of what it means to be an American." 

"I think we're going to be in a lot of trouble if you can't find a way to engage a lot of people who feel disaffected — whether it's by technological change, whether it's by the post-industrialization," Springsteen said.


Obama, agreeing with Springsteen, said, "I think that part of what we tried to do in the podcast was get everybody to feel a little more willing to recognize, you know, our own faults." 

The 44th president said no longer occupying the Oval Office was a "little bit like figuring out how to make a transition from a player to a coach."

"You're not going to get the same, maybe, highs that you got on the court," Obama, 60, said.

The former executive mansion resident also revealed that it was his wife, Michelle ObamaMichelle LeVaughn Robinson Obama'Car guy' Biden puts his spin on the presidency Poll: Harris, Michelle Obama lead for 2024 if Biden doesn't run Son gives emotional tribute to Colin Powell at service MORE, who pushed him to develop a deeper friendship with Springsteen after the musician performed at a campaign rally for his 2008 White House bid.

"Michelle says, 'You know, you need to spend more time with Bruce,'" Obama recalled.

"I said, 'Well, why's that?' She says, 'Well, he understands all his failings and flaws as a man, and you don't seem to understand as well just exactly how messed up you are.'"

Asked how he responded to his wife's remark, Obama said with a laugh, "I said, 'You're right.'"