Giuliani says Trump might have talked to Cohen about his testimony: 'So what?'

President TrumpDonald TrumpWhat blue wave? A close look at Texas today tells of a different story Democrats go down to the wire with Manchin Trump's former bodyguard investigated in NY prosectors' probe: report MORE's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, on Sunday said that it's "possible" the president spoke to his former attorney, Michael Cohen, ahead of his congressional testimony.

"Which would be perfectly normal," Giuliani said on CNN's "State of the Union." "So what?"

"As far as I know, President Trump did not have discussions with him," he added. "Certainly, no discussions with him in which he told him or counseled him to lie."


BuzzFeed News reported last week that Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress about a deal to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. The report claimed that special counsel Robert MuellerRobert (Bob) MuellerSenate Democrats urge Garland not to fight court order to release Trump obstruction memo Why a special counsel is guaranteed if Biden chooses Yates, Cuomo or Jones as AG Barr taps attorney investigating Russia probe origins as special counsel MORE's office had evidence to prove the claim, however the special counsel's office disputed the accuracy of the story, calling the "characterization ... not accurate." It is not clear which parts of the story Mueller's office disputed, and BuzzFeed stands by its reporting.

Giuliani on Sunday maintained that the Buzzfeed story was "phony" and "scandalous ... fake news."

However, he said although he had no knowledge of such conversations, the president may have discussed Cohen's testimony with him without directing him to lie.

"If he had any discussions with him, they'd be about the version of the events that Michael Cohen gave them which they all believe was true," Giuliani said.

Giuliani said during a separate appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he is “100 percent certain” that Trump never once asked Cohen to do anything but tell the truth to Congress.

“I can tell you his counsel to Michael Cohen throughout that entire period was, ‘Tell the truth.’ We thought he was telling the truth. I still believe he may have been telling the truth when he testified before Congress,” he told host Chuck Todd.

Cohen pleaded guilty in November to lying to Congress about plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow and signed a plea deal with Mueller's office. Cohen said he was lying when he told Congress in an August 2017 letter that "the Moscow Project ended in January 2016," before the Iowa caucuses. According to Cohen, discussions on the project were still happening in June 2016. 

BuzzFeed also reported that Trump was involved in ongoing negotiations over the Moscow project and supported a plan to visit Russia and meet with President Vladimir Putin during the 2016 campaign. According to BuzzFeed, which cited two law enforcement sources, Trump had at least 10 face-to-face meetings with Cohen about the matter.

Trump "wasn't talking to Russia about anything" during the campaign, Giuliani told CNN on Sunday. "It was an early stage proposal that never got beyond a nonbinding letter of intent run by Michael Cohen. It was his project and being done while Donald Trump was running for president of the United States and wasn't focused on that at all."

Updated at 10:10 a.m.