Biden tells Charlamagne Tha God: If you don't support me 'then you ain't black'

Former Vice President Joe BidenJoe BidenFear of insider attack prompts additional FBI screening of National Guard troops: AP Iran convicts American businessman on spying charge: report DC, state capitals see few issues, heavy security amid protest worries MORE defended his record on race to Charlamagne Tha God on the popular radio show "The Breakfast Club" on Friday, at one point telling the host that if you support President TrumpDonald TrumpIran convicts American businessman on spying charge: report DC, state capitals see few issues, heavy security amid protest worries Pardon-seekers have paid Trump allies tens of thousands to lobby president: NYT MORE “then you ain’t black.”

An aide tried to cut off the interview after 11 minutes because Jill Biden needed the office to do her own livestreamed event, but Biden agreed to stay on longer.

After 18 minutes, the aide interjected again, leading Charlamagne to say jokingly: “You can’t do that to black media.”


“I do that to white media and black media because my wife has to go on at 6 o’clock,” Biden said, looking at his watch: “Uh oh. I’m in trouble.”

“Listen, you’ve got to come see us when you come to New York, V.P. Biden,” Charlamagne said. “It’s a long way until November. We've got more questions.”

“You’ve got more questions?” Biden replied. “Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black."

Charlamagne responded by saying “it has nothing to do with Trump,” but that rather “I want something for my community.”

“Take a look at my record man,” Biden responded. “I extended the Voting Rights Act 25 years. I have a record that is second to none. The NAACP has endorsed me every time I’ve run. Come on, take a look at my record.”

Charlamagne’s radio show was a popular stop for Democratic presidential contenders during the primary. But some Democrats, such as Sen. Elizabeth WarrenElizabeth WarrenBiden to tap Rohit Chopra to lead CFPB, Gensler for SEC chair: reports Biden tax-hike proposals face bumpy road ahead Porter loses seat on House panel overseeing financial sector MORE (D-Mass.), have run into trouble there under heated questioning from Charlamagne about their records on race.


Biden was appearing for the first time on the show, and the interview was at times contentious and awkward, although they appeared to leave on good terms.

Charlamagne opened by telling Biden, “I’ve been critical of you.”

“I know you have,” Biden shot back. “You don’t know me.”

At one point, Charlamagne asked Biden to explain why he supports decriminalizing marijuana but not legalizing it.

“They’re trying to figure out if it affects long-term development of the brain, and we should wait until the studies are done,” Biden said. “Science matters.”

“I think we got decades and decades and decades from actual weed smokers though,” Charlamagne responded.

“Yeah I do, I know a lot of weed smokers,” Biden said, laughing.

Charlamagne challenged Biden to explain his support for crime bills in the 1980s and 1990s that critics have said led to mass incarceration of black people.

He noted that former Secretary of State Hillary ClintonHillary Diane Rodham ClintonRep. John Katko: Why I became the first Republican lawmaker to support impeachment Can we protect our country — from our rulers, and ourselves? For Joe Biden, an experienced foreign policy team MORE had come on his show and apologized for her past support of the bills and said that part of why she ran for president was to atone for that.

“She was wrong,” Biden said. “It wasn’t the crime bill, it was the drug legislation, the institution of mandatory minimums, which I opposed.”

Biden repeatedly returned to polls showing him with huge support among black voters and pointed to the Democratic primary, when black voters rallied behind his candidacy to deliver him big victories across the country to help him sew up the nomination at an early stage.

“I won a larger share of the black vote than anyone has, including Barack,” Biden said, referring to former President Obama.

“They’re the folks, as they say, brung me to the dance ... come on man, give me a little break here.”

The GOP super PAC America Rising circulated the clip, and the exchange blew up in conservative social media.


“White liberal elitists have continuously dictated which black Americans are allowed to come to the table and have a voice,” said Kartrina Pierson, a senior adviser to the Trump campaign and leader of its Black Voices for Trump group.

“It is clear now more than ever, following these racist and dehumanizing remarks, that Joe Biden believes black men and women are incapable of being independent or free thinking. He truly believes that he, a 77-year-old white man, should dictate how black people should behave. Biden has a history of racial condescension and today he once again proved what a growing number of black Americans and I have always known — Joe Biden does not deserve our votes.”

Sen. Tim ScottTimothy (Tim) Eugene ScottHarris to resign from Senate seat on Monday McConnell says he's undecided on whether to vote to convict Trump McConnell won't reprise role as chief Trump defender MORE (S.C.), the only black Republican in the Senate, also accused Biden of lecturing black people on how to vote and or questioning the racial authenticity of conservative black voters.

Symone SandersSymone Sanders7 surprise moments from a tumultuous year in politics The Hill's Morning Report - Presented by Mastercard - Congress inches closer to virus relief deal Harris taps women of color for key senior staff positions MORE, an adviser to the Biden campaign, defended the former vice president's remarks.


"Vice President Biden spent his career fighting alongside and for the African American community. He won his party's nomination by earning every vote and meeting people where they are and that's exactly what he intends to do this November," she said in a tweet.

"The comments made at the end of the Breakfast Club interview were in jest, but let’s be clear about what the VP was saying: he was making the distinction that he would put his record with the African American community up against Trump’s any day. Period," she added.

—Updated at 12 p.m.