Obama, Bush veterans dismiss Trump-Putin interpreter subpoena

Former officials from the Obama and George W. Bush administrations are pouring cold water on the idea that President TrumpDonald John TrumpCorsi sues Mueller for alleged leaks and illegal surveillance Comey: Trump 'certainly close' to being unindicted co-conspirator Trump pushes back on reports that Ayers was first pick for chief of staff MORE’s interpreter from the summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin should appear before Congress.

While multiple former Obama officials say they understand the desire to talk to one of the only people in the room with Trump and Putin, several argued it would set a dangerous precedent.

“For the same reasons why we need to protect our own diplomats, there is a real concern about having translators be subject to subpoenas,” said David Mortlock, director of international economic affairs at the White House National Security Council (NSC) under Obama.


He acknowledged that there is “legitimate concern about what the president may have promised Vladimir Putin.”

But he said subpoenaing an interpreter is a bridge too far, and would prevent presidents from speaking freely.

“They’re at the center of diplomatic relationships and it raises concerns about whether you can truly have diplomatic communications,” he said.

Ben Chang, who served as an NSC official under Obama, said while interpreters have “seen or heard a ton,” they ultimately serve as a “vessel” to guide and channel the president’s thoughts and ideas.

He argued that Congress should get to the bottom of the summit, but he thinks lawmakers instead need to subpoena officials such as Secretary of State Mike PompeoMichael (Mike) Richard PompeoTrump ultimatum sparks fears of new arms race Paul calls Trump's pick for attorney general's views on surveillance 'very troubling' Focus on Yemen, not the Saudi crown prince MORE and national security adviser John Bolton.

The possibility that Trump summit interpreter Marina Gross will appear before Congress is remote for now given GOP control of both chambers.

Democrats were blocked Thursday when Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee rejected a motion to subpoena the interpreter.

Tony Fratto, who served as a White House deputy press secretary under former President George W. Bush, called it a “fruitless effort.”

“The law is clear. It would be bonkers to think this conversation doesn’t fall under executive privilege,” said Fratto, who frequently disagrees with Trump’s rhetoric and actions. “That’s not their job and the Constitution is pretty clear on that.”

Richard Fontaine, who served as a foreign policy adviser to Sen. John McCainJohn Sidney McCainOvernight Defense: Senate Armed Services chair eyes Russia, China threats | Pushes Trump not to cut defense budget | Mattis says US looking for more Khashoggi evidence Dem strategist says Trump should not have attended George H.W. Bush's funeral Inhofe eyes Russian, Chinese threats in first major speech as Armed Services chairman MORE (R-Ariz.) and served at the NSC under Bush, also dismissed the suggestion.

“I feel their pain, but I don't think forcing the translator of the president to testify [about] what she heard will be successful,” Fontaine told The Hill, calling it “bad practice.”

“People on the Hill seem to have ever-short historical perspective, but at some point a Democrat will have a one-on-one with a leader or take a walk in the park with a leader and do you really want that?” he said.  “I know they want this, but I don't know that they want that.”

Democrats say the circumstances surrounding the Trump-Putin summit are exceptional, and justify the step of having lawmakers talk to Trump’s interpreter.

Trump and Putin met with just their interpreters present before aides later joined larger sessions.

The White House has been engulfed in controversy since the summit because of Trump’s remarks casting doubt on Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Trump also criticized special counsel Robert MuellerRobert Swan MuellerSasse: US should applaud choice of Mueller to lead Russia probe MORE’s investigation and put the blame for the state of the U.S.-Russian relationship on that probe and past U.S. governments — not Moscow.

Republicans and Democrats alike have slammed the performance, and Trump has sought to walk back his comments doubting U.S. intelligence on Russia’s election interference.

The controversy has also been colored by continued speculation about whether Putin has leverage on Trump.

“I think these are pretty extraordinary circumstances,” said Rep. Adam SchiffAdam Bennett SchiffDems have new moniker for Trump: ‘Unindicted co-conspirator' Schiff: Trump may face ‘real prospect of jail time’ Sunday shows preview: Trade talks, Cohen sentencing memo take center stage MORE (Calif.), the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. “It is not something I would recommend as an ordinary remedy in usual course of business, but I would hope that we would never again see a circumstance where the president of the United States would say I want to meet alone with my foreign adversary.”

Director of National Intelligence Dan CoatsDaniel (Dan) Ray CoatsDems slam Trump for siding with Saudi Arabia in Khashoggi killing Dem senator demands public intelligence assessment on Khashoggi killing Hillicon Valley: Official warns midterm influence could trigger sanctions | UK, Canada call on Zuckerberg to testify | Google exec resigns after harassment allegations | Gab CEO defends platform | T-Mobile, Sprint tailor merger pitch for Trump MORE conceded on Thursday that he does not know what happened during the meeting between the two leaders, adding that there is also a “risk” that the Russians recorded their exchange.

“I think at the end of the day, the sad reality is we will never know with a degree of precision … what happened in that meeting,” said Aaron David Miller, a distinguished fellow at the Woodrow Wilson Center. 

Ellen Tauscher, who served as under secretary of State for arms control and international security under Obama, said Congress should absolutely pursue a deposition from Gross.

“This a very unfortunate place to be, but there’s so much smoke blowing in our faces,” she said.

Tauscher noted that even if the tables were turned and a State Department interpreter was being interviewed by a GOP Congress under Obama, the circumstances would still be different because Trump threw out the country’s diplomatic playbook while Obama abided by it.

Republicans, however, see Democrats as being hypocritical and playing a political game.

Schiff’s motion to subpoena the interpreter on Thursday visibly irritated House Republicans, who felt it was a distraction during a hearing on the national security threats posed by China.

Conservatives contend that executive privilege shields a president’s interpreter from reporting to Congress, while warning that subpoenaing her would create a dangerous precedent that could come back to haunt future presidents of either party.

And a number of experts agree with them.

“The president would be fully within his authority to claim executive privilege in this case,” said Mark Rozell, dean of George Mason University’s Schar School of Policy and Government.

“It is likely that the two heads of state had discussions about some sensitive issues with national and international security implications and it would not be reasonable to expect an interpreter to know which topics require confidentiality,” added Rozell, who has authored a book on executive privilege.

Rep. Brad WenstrupBrad Robert WenstrupVets can soon be thankful for Congress's interest in payment issues House GOP starts summer break on a note of friction House GOP’s August strategy: Americans ‘Better Off Now’ MORE (Ohio), a Republican who serves on the Intelligence Committee with Schiff, pointed to a private conversation that President Obama had with then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on the sidelines of a NATO summit.

“This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility,” Obama was heard saying to the Russian leader on a hot mic at the 2012 meeting.

Rep. Tom RooneyThomas (Tom) Joseph RooneyCohen plea gives Dems new momentum for Russia probes Florida New Members 2019 Congress falls flat on election security as midterms near MORE (R-Fla.) said if interpreters are asked to testify, U.S. presidents will find ways around using an interpreter.

In the end, it’s likely there will be no testimony by the interpreter, but that Democrats could use the issue for leverage as another political talking point to criticize Trump.

Miller, also a State Department negotiator and adviser on Middle East issues, described the move as nothing more than political theater.

“This is just another episode in the long-running saga between the Democrats, the Republicans and the administration,” Miller told The Hill.

“I think it is highly unlikely that you’re going to end up subpoenaing an interpreter. And I don’t think you’ll end up putting someone in that position. I think the administration will find another way to brief [on] what happened in that meeting, and it would makes sense from nobody’s perspective, in my judgment, to put an interpreter before a congressional committee. I can’t even imagine.”