GOP counsel acknowledges 'irregular channel' between U.S. and Ukraine

GOP counsel Steve Castor acknowledged what both he and William Taylor, the chargé d’affaires for Ukraine, described as an “irregular channel” of policymaking between the U.S. and Ukraine during his line of questioning at Wednesday's public impeachment hearing.


Castor asked Taylor, a career diplomat, why he did not “wrest control” away from the back-channel efforts that had been led by Rudy GiulianiRudy GiulianiWe should listen to John Bolton The Hill's Morning Report - Sanders on the rise as Nevada debate looms Democrats worried about Trump's growing strength MORE, the president's personal attorney.

Those back-channel efforts are a key focus of the impeachment inquiry led by House Democrats, who are seeking to build a case that Trump withheld assistance to Ukraine to get its leadership to conduct investigations of former Vice President Joe BidenJoe BidenBloomberg campaign: Primary is two-way race with Sanders HuffPost reporter: Sanders could win plurality of delegates but lose nomination Meghan McCain to Joy Behar: 'You guys have done a piss-poor job of convincing me that I should vote for a Democrat' MORE and his son. 

Taylor responded that he chose not to because the “regular” and “irregular” channels were both “going in the same direction” in terms of prioritizing a meeting between President TrumpDonald John TrumpCensus Bureau spends millions on ad campaign to mitigate fears on excluded citizenship question Bloomberg campaign: Primary is two-way race with Sanders Democratic senator meets with Iranian foreign minister MORE and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

He explained that he initially thought the meeting was being held up until Ukraine publicly announced investigations of the Bidens but that he later learned security assistance was also being held up.

During his opening statement on Wednesday, Taylor described an “informal channel” that included Giuliani, former U.S. special envoy to Ukraine Kurt VolkerKurt VolkerGOP senators request details on Hunter Biden's travel for probe Yovanovitch retires from State Department: reports Live coverage: Senators enter second day of questions in impeachment trial MORE, U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland, Secretary of Energy Rick Perry and acting White House chief of staff Mick MulvaneyThis was opposed to the “regular channel,” which, according to Taylor, involved “formal diplomatic processes.”

Castor continued to refer to the policymaking involving Volker, Sondland, Giuliani and others as the “irregular channel,” including when questioning Taylor on whether he had had any contact with Giuliani as part of “irregular channel business” and whether Taylor had raised concerns about this policymaking channel.

Castor asked Taylor about whether it was "outlandish" for Sondland to be involved in Ukrainian policymaking, and Taylor said it was "unusual."

Castor commented in response that "it may be irregular, but it's certainly not outlandish."

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