Democrats seize on new evidence in first public impeachment hearing

House Democrats got what they wanted out of their first impeachment hearing on Wednesday: testimony from witnesses outlining how President TrumpDonald John TrumpSanders apologizes to Biden for supporter's op-ed Jayapal: 'We will end up with another Trump' if the US doesn't elect progressive Democrats: McConnell impeachment trial rules a 'cover up,' 'national disgrace' MORE pressured the Ukrainian government to investigate his political opponents. 

Democrats said putting the two career State Department officials on the record lays the groundwork for building their case that Trump abused his office for his own political gain.

And they secured new evidence at the start of the hearing as William Taylor, the chargé d’affaires for Ukraine, testified that his staffer had overheard Trump asking U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland about the “investigations” in a July phone call.


Those investigations, Taylor said, were regarding former Vice President Joe BidenJoe BidenSanders apologizes to Biden for supporter's op-ed Jayapal: 'We will end up with another Trump' if the US doesn't elect progressive White House appoints GOP House members to advise Trump's impeachment team MORE and the business dealings of his son, as well as 2016 election interference. And Democrats seized on it as further proof that Trump himself was overseeing the effort.

“What this call indicates, as other testimony has likewise indicated, is that the instructions are coming from the president on down,” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam SchiffAdam Bennett SchiffWhite House appoints GOP House members to advise Trump's impeachment team Trump knocks authors of 'A Very Stable Genius': 'Two stone cold losers from Amazon WP' Democrats push back on White House impeachment claims, saying Trump believes he is above the law MORE (D-Calif.) said after the hearing.

After six weeks of closed-door depositions, Democrats are using the open hearings to air out their findings in the public sphere by displaying what they believe are the most damning lines of testimony.

“I think the game changer is that the American people get to hear for themselves the evidence,” said Rep. Joaquin CastroJoaquin CastroJayapal: 'We will end up with another Trump' if the US doesn't elect progressive Congressional Progressive Caucus co-chair Jayapal endorses Sanders Sanders, Warren battle for progressive endorsements MORE (D-Texas), a member of the Intelligence Committee.

Democrats aren’t quite done with the closed-door sessions, though. They have scheduled testimony from David Holmes, the staffer who overheard Trump’s phone call with Sondland, on Friday, as well as Office of Management and Budget official Mark Sandy on Saturday.

But after former special counsel Robert MuellerRobert (Bob) Swan MuellerSchiff: Trump acquittal in Senate trial would not signal a 'failure' Jeffries blasts Trump for attack on Thunberg at impeachment hearing Live coverage: House Judiciary to vote on impeachment after surprise delay MORE’s testimony in July initially fell flat for impeachment backers, Wednesday’s hearing offered Democrats a platform to help build their impeachment case against Trump.


Taylor, in particular, delivered a lengthy opening statement that offered a richly detailed timeline of his worries that the president’s policy in Ukraine had become inappropriate and focused on securing investigations into domestic political rivals. 

He later said he had not seen another example of a president conditioning foreign aid on delivering investigations — a key part of the Democrats’ investigation into whether the Trump administration made military aid dependent on Ukraine starting the investigations into the Bidens.

Kent also testified that “as a general principle, I do not believe the United States should ask other countries to engage in selective, politically associated investigations or prosecutions against opponents of those in power, because such selective actions undermine the rule of law regardless of the country.” 

And in sharp contrast to Mueller, who repeatedly referred lawmakers to his report on Russia’s election interference and deprived them of sound bites, Taylor complied with lawmakers’ requests to read aloud text messages he had sent expressing his concerns about the Trump administration holding up military aid to Ukraine. 

Republicans, meanwhile, stressed that the witnesses on the stand didn’t interact directly with the president and argued that the hearing was “boring.”

“The ultimate judge will be the American people, and I think most of them will see what I’m seeing in that room. It’s reporters and people in the audience who are yawning because this is all about a policy difference between the president of the United States and a few people in the State Department,” Rep. Mark MeadowsMark Randall MeadowsWhite House appoints GOP House members to advise Trump's impeachment team Republicans criticize Pelosi for gifting pens used to sign impeachment articles Trump, Democrats set for brawl on Iran war powers MORE (R-N.C.) told reporters midway through the hearing. 

The White House’s impeachment response efforts have been scattered for weeks, left largely to the whims of a mercurial president who has careened from talking point to talking point as new evidence emerged.

At first, it appeared Trump’s allies were grasping for a clear way to rebut allegations from Taylor and Deputy Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs George Kent.

But toward the end of Wednesday’s hearing, a clearer line of defense came into view.

Trump and his allies seized on acknowledgements from both Taylor and Kent that they had never spoken directly with the president and the fact that some of Taylor’s most damning allegations were based on secondhand or thirdhand information.

“Dems star witnesses can’t provide any firsthand knowledge of any wrongdoing by [Trump]. Their own testimony contradicts the Dems false quid pro quo narrative,” White House press secretary Stephanie GrishamStephanie GrishamParnas attorney asks William Barr to recuse himself from investigation Hill.TV's Saagar Enjeti on impeachment: 'CNN can see through this nonsense' The Hill's 12:30 Report: Senate receives impeachment articles as trial opens MORE tweeted.

The Trump campaign issued a statement dismissing the testimony as “thirdhand hearsay” and ridiculing Kent and Taylor as “unelected, career government bureaucrats who think they know best.”

In his only public comments after the conclusion of Wednesday’s hearings, Trump argued that there was nothing to directly implicate him.

“They said it’s all thirdhand information. Nothing direct at all. Can’t be direct because I never said it,” Trump said during a news conference with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, claiming that he had only heard about the hearings through reports.

“That this country gets put through that, that we have to waste this gentleman’s time by even thinking about it, talking about it — I’d much rather focus on peace in the Middle East,” Trump said, motioning to Erdogan. “I hear that it’s a hoax. And it’s being played as a hoax. That’s what I hear.”

Rep. Jim JordanJames (Jim) Daniel JordanWhite House appoints GOP House members to advise Trump's impeachment team Sunday shows preview: Lawmakers gear up for Senate impeachment trial Trump's legal team gets set for impeachment trial MORE (R-Ohio), the top Republican on the Oversight and Reform Committee who was added to the Intelligence panel last week, similarly stressed that neither of the witnesses on Wednesday had “ever talked” to Trump.

Yet Jordan defended the White House efforts to block testimony from officials with firsthand knowledge of the push for the Ukrainian government to open the investigations requested by Trump.

“These are close advisers to the president. The long history of our country is they don’t have to testify,” Jordan said.

Democrats maintained that they have nevertheless been able to corroborate the allegations in the intelligence community whistleblower complaint that sparked the impeachment inquiry. And they argue their best piece of firsthand evidence is from Trump himself in the rough transcript of the July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

“We have first-person information by the president releasing the summary of the telephone call. And you can look at that telephone call and then look at actions that happened after that telephone call and see what the president was doing,” said Rep. Jackie SpeierKaren (Jackie) Lorraine Jacqueline SpeierPoll: 69 percent of Americans say they are watching impeachment closely The Hill's Morning Report — Impeachment face-off; Dems go after Buttigieg in debate Democrats rally behind Pelosi on delay of articles MORE (D-Calif.). “And then there’s all kinds of circumstantial evidence to prove that what they laid out was actually happening.”