GOP counsel says both Ukraine, Russia interfered in 2016 U.S. elections

GOP counsel Stephen Castor on Monday said both Russia and Ukraine interfered in the 2016 U.S. elections in his testimony before the House Judiciary Committee. 

Castor's remarks were notable given the pushback from Democrats and the intelligence community over the idea that Ukraine was a big force in electoral interference in 2016, when President TrumpDonald John TrumpTrump denies telling Bolton Ukraine aid was tied to investigations Former senior Senate GOP aide says Republicans should call witnesses Title, release date revealed for Bolton memoir MORE defeated Democrat Hillary ClintonHillary Diane Rodham ClintonGOP senator says idea that Ukraine interfered in US election is 'not a conspiracy theory' Cotton: Democrats are 'upset that their witnesses haven't said what they want them to say' Trump's troubles won't end with a Senate acquittal MORE in the presidential race.

Castor testified that “election interference is not binary,” and emphasized that he was not saying that “it was Ukraine and not Russia” that interfered. Instead, he said that both countries were involved in election interference efforts in the lead-up to the 2016 U.S. elections.


“I am saying that both countries can work to influence an election,” Castor said. “A systemic, coordinated Russian interference effort does not mean that some Ukranian officials did not work to oppose President Trump’s candidacy, did not make statements against President Trump during the election.”

Federal U.S. intelligence agencies, the Senate Intelligence Committee, and former special counsel Robert MuellerRobert (Bob) Swan MuellerSchiff: Trump acquittal in Senate trial would not signal a 'failure' Jeffries blasts Trump for attack on Thunberg at impeachment hearing Live coverage: House Judiciary to vote on impeachment after surprise delay MORE all concluded that Russia conducted a sweeping and systemic campaign to interfere in U.S. elections, using both disinformation and hacking efforts to the benefit of now-President Trump.

Multiple Republican members of Congress, including Sens. John KennedyJohn Neely KennedyMORE (R-La.) and Ted CruzRafael (Ted) Edward CruzTrump, Democrats risk unintended consequences with impeachment arguments Impeachment trial to enter new phase with Trump defense Jordan says he thinks trial will be over by next week MORE (R-Texas) have argued in recent weeks that Ukraine interfered as well in 2016, citing a theory that Ukraine is in possession of a Democratic National Committee server that the FBI did not investigate. 

No concrete evidence has been offered to support that idea, which Democrats and other critics have called a conspiracy theory.

It's also possible the Ukrainian theory is itself being pushed by Russia.

Earlier this year, CNN reported that U.S. intelligence officials told members of Congress during a classified briefing that Russia had engaged in a campaign to shift the blame to Ukraine from themselves in regards to election interference.