Katie Porter in heated exchange with Mnuchin: 'You're play-acting to be a lawyer'

Democratic Rep. Katie Porter (Calif.) on Wednesday got into a heated conversation with Treasury Secretary Steven MnuchinSteven MnuchinThe Hill's Morning Report - Biden argues for legislative patience, urgent action amid crisis On The Money: Senate confirms Yellen as first female Treasury secretary | Biden says he's open to tighter income limits for stimulus checks | Administration will look to expedite getting Tubman on bill Senate confirms Yellen as first female Treasury secretary MORE during a House Financial Services Committee hearing, with Porter claiming that Mnuchin was “play-acting to be a lawyer.” 

Porter specifically grilled Mnuchin over his support to move $455 billion in COVID-19 relief from the Federal Reserve back into the Treasury’s general fund, making it harder for his successor to access the emergency funding.

Porter noted that under the CARES Act, any remaining funds may be moved to the Treasury only “on or after Jan. 1, 2026.” 


“Secretary Mnuchin, is it currently the year 2026? Yes or no?” the congresswoman asked via video conference at the hearing. 

Mnuchin responded, “First, let me comment. I do believe there’s an economic —”

“Secretary Mnuchin, reclaiming my time,” Porter interrupted.


“You’re putting words in my mouth that are not correct,” the Treasury secretary said. 

Porter then repeated her question, to which Mnuchin replied, “Of course it’s not 2026.” 

“How ridiculous to ask me that question to waste our time,” he added. 

“Well, Secretary Mnuchin, I think it’s ridiculous that you’re play-acting to be a lawyer when you have no legal degree,” Porter added.

Mnuchin then explained that he has several lawyers advising him at the Department of the Treasury.

“I’m more than happy to follow up with Chair [Maxine] Waters [D-Calif.] and explain all the legal provisions,” he added. 

“Secretary Mnuchin, are you in fact a lawyer?” Porter continued.

“I do not have a legal degree. I have lawyers that report to me,” Mnuchin replied.

Porter then asked Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell, who appeared before the committee Wednesday along with Mnuchin, if he was a lawyer. 

Powell, who previously practiced law and holds a legal degree from Georgetown University, confirmed he was a lawyer. 

“OK, so Secretary Mnuchin, you are trying to tell Chairman Powell to send over any remaining funds right now, and you’re claiming falsely, in my opinion, that that is what the law says,” Porter argued. 

Mnuchin then asked if Porter was a lawyer. Porter holds a degree from Harvard Law School and serves as a law professor at the University of California, Irvine. 


The amount to be returned to the Treasury's general fund was part of a $500 billion allocation in the $2.2 trillion CARES Act that President TrumpDonald TrumpFBI says California extremist may have targeted Newsom House Democrat touts resolution to expel Marjorie Taylor Greene from Congress Facebook to dial back political content on platform MORE signed into law in late March.

Bharat Ramamurti, a former adviser to Sen. Elizabeth WarrenElizabeth WarrenReddit traders cause Wall Street havoc by buying GameStop Elizabeth Warren weighs in on the GameStop stock surge The Hill's Morning Report - Biden argues for legislative patience, urgent action amid crisis MORE (D-Mass.) who now serves as a member of the congressional committee appointed to oversee the funds, called Mnuchin’s proposed move of the money last week “illegal.”

However, GOP lawmakers have vocalized their support for Mnuchin's position, with Sen. Pat ToomeyPatrick (Pat) Joseph ToomeyGovernment used Patriot Act to gather website visitor logs in 2019 Appeals court rules NSA's bulk phone data collection illegal Dunford withdraws from consideration to chair coronavirus oversight panel MORE (R-Pa.) on Tuesday applauding Mnuchin for saying he would shut down the CARES Act's temporary emergency lending facilities by the end of the year. 

"These facilities were designed for a very specific purpose, they achieved that purpose more successfully than we could have reasonably hoped, and we should not use them to morph into some other purpose, like as a supplement and or compliment to fiscal policy," Toomey argued at a Senate Banking Committee hearing. 

Mnuchin has previously received criticism for his handling of the stimulus funding appropriated by Congress, with a federal judge in June ordering the secretary to release the full $679 million in funding set aside for Native American tribes.

Mnuchin had previously committed to holding it back while waiting on a decision in another case that will determine whether tribal businesses are eligible for the funding.

“The Secretary has now taken more than twice as much time as Congress directed to distribute all CARES Act funds,” U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta wrote in the decision.

Updated: Dec. 3 at 2:33 p.m.