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Fox's Shep Smith, Chris Wallace spar over Trump responsibility after mail bomb suspect charged

Fox News anchor Shepard Smith sparred with "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace on Friday over whether President TrumpDonald John TrumpBiden to nominate Linda Thomas-Greenfield for UN ambassador: reports Scranton dedicates 'Joe Biden Way' to honor president-elect Kasich: Republicans 'either in complete lockstep' or 'afraid' of Trump MORE's rhetoric should be linked to the explosives mailed to more than a dozen Democratic figures this week.

Smith began the segment by noting that all of the figures who had the pipe bombs mailed to them, including former President Obama and Trump's 2016 Democratic presidential rival Hillary ClintonHillary Diane Rodham ClintonBiden to name longtime aide Blinken as secretary of State: report Understanding mixed results in Pennsylvania key to future elections What's behind the divisions over Biden's secretary of Labor? MORE, have exchanged fierce criticism with Trump.

“You just can’t ignore the politics of this, even if you wanted to,” Smith said. “These are people the president has gone after rhetorically. These are people this guy targeted. It goes to the tone and tenor of the political discourse and the words that the president uses in his rallies.”

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Wallace argued there was no direct link between Trump and the alleged actions of the suspect, Cesar Sayoc Jr., who was arrested and charged in connection to the mailed explosives. Sayoc was taken into custody along with a van with stickers and decals supportive of Trump, and he was shown in footage attending at least one Trump rally.

Wallace pointed to the 2017 shooting at a congressional baseball practice in Alexandria, Va., when a shooter targeted GOP lawmakers. The shooting left House Majority Whip Steve ScaliseStephen (Steve) Joseph ScaliseRichmond says GOP 'reluctant to stand up and tell the emperor he wears no clothes' New RSC chairman sees 'Trumpism' as future Cheney seeks to cool tensions with House conservatives MORE (R-La.) and three others wounded.

“I don’t think you can draw any particular link or any responsibility on the part of the president for this action,” Wallace argued. "I mean, as [White House press secretary] Sarah [Huckabee] Sanders said and just repeated by [Fox News White House correspondent] John Roberts, a Bernie SandersBernie SandersDemocrats brush off calls for Biden to play hardball on Cabinet picks What's behind the divisions over Biden's secretary of Labor? Young voters set turnout record, aiding Biden win MORE supporter shot up the congressman at the baseball practice. Is Bernie Sanders responsible for that?"

"Nobody is saying he's responsible," Smith said. "The rhetorical discourse has devolved over time and the president says we need to unify. Some of that begins with the rhetoric, does it not?" 

"It would certainly be good, but I think it’s separate and apart from the actions of this guy," Wallace replied. "This is a twisted person."

After some extended crosstalk, Wallace accused Smith of holding the president responsible for Sayoc's alleged actions. 
 
"I think that it’s really incorrect to hold the president either by implication or directly responsible in any way for the misdeeds of a person that is a psychopath," Wallace repeated. 
 
"Nobody did that, Chris. Don’t say I did," Smith insisted. "All I said is when the rhetoric gets loud, the crazies come out sometimes." 

"Let me just say, it’s a separate issue about the political rhetoric in this country and it’s unfortunate and I think it’s a very bad thing," Wallace added later. "But I think it’s very dangerous to draw links between that and links of any sort between that and criminal activity."

"History will decide what the rhetoric has done in this society," Smith declared. 

"I’ll wait for history," Wallace replied.

"I’ll wait for it, too," Smith said in ending the segment. "I hope you have a good weekend."

On Friday, Sayoc was charged with five federal crimes for allegedly sending packages containing explosive devices.