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Meghan McCain and Joy Behar argue over whether antifa 'does exist'

Meghan McCain and Joy Behar argue over whether antifa 'does exist'
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Joy BeharJosephine (Joy) Victoria BeharHannity to interview Caitlyn Jenner following gubernatorial announcement Maher mocks Caitlyn Jenner over California governor bid Caitlyn Jenner after being misgendered on 'The View': 'California has bigger issues than pronouns' MORE and Meghan McCainMeghan Marguerite McCainCindy McCain talks about Hunter Biden, sacrifices and Meghan in new interview Kinzinger is first GOP lawmaker to call on Gaetz to resign Meghan McCain calls on Gaetz to resign MORE, co-hosts of ABC's "The View," argued on Monday about whether antifa exists as a physical group or an ideology and if it is responsible for some reported political violence across the country. 

“Antifa does exist,” McCain said, breaking off from a discussion on the show regarding controversial comments made by Sen. Ron JohnsonRonald (Ron) Harold JohnsonOvernight Health Care: WHO-backed Covax gets a boost from Moderna Vaccine hesitancy among lawmakers slows return to normalcy on Capitol Hill FBI was aware Giuliani was a target of a Russian influence campaign ahead of 2020 election: report MORE (R-Wis.) last week suggesting he did not feel threatened by supporters of former President TrumpDonald TrumpTrump's Facebook ban to stay in place, board rules Trump allies launching nonprofit focused on voter fraud DOJ asks for outside lawyer to review Giuliani evidence MORE who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. Johnson said that he might have been afraid for his safety if the rioters had been affiliated with "Black Lives Matter and antifa."

“What separates antifa is their willingness to use violence. I have very good friends who have been reporting on antifa for months, and months, and months,” McCain said on Monday. “We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can say Ron Johnson is an absolute moron, we can say that not all activism is violent, but the idea that antifa doesn’t exist is just factually inaccurate and wrong and a lie.”

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The daughter of late Republican Sen. John McCainJohn Sidney McCainBudowsky: Liz Cheney vs. conservatives in name only Cheney slams Trump on 'big lie' over election Exclusive — Cruz, Rubio ramp up criticisms of big business MORE (Ariz.) referenced reports of a federal courthouse in Portland, Ore., being set on fire during civil unrest there over the weekend. The courthouse was the site of various demonstrations against police brutality in the months that followed the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. 

Behar later took exception with McCain's insistence that antifa was responsible for such attacks and should not be dismissed. 

"I just want to clarify that ... the FBI director says that antifa is an ideology not an organization," Behar said. "There is no sign that they were involved in the Capitol siege, let's be clear."

"I'm not saying they were involved in the Capitol siege, I'm saying they exist," McCain chimed in. 

"I'm done," Behar shot back. "I said my ... thing and you said yours I'm done." 

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"You said it was a fantasy, you said antifa doesn't exist and it's a fantasy," McCain pressed. 

Behar shouted at McCain: "It's an idea," pointing to her head.

"No it's not," McCain responded, before the show cut to commercial. 

In the days following the Jan. 6 attack, Trump and some of his allies suggested that some of the rioters committing violence at the Capitol that day were members of antifa, something they describe as a far-left group of violent and organized extremists.