Giuliani: It would take extreme action for Trump to obstruct justice

Giuliani: It would take extreme action for Trump to obstruct justice
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President TrumpDonald TrumpJulian Castro knocks Biden administration over refugee policy Overnight Energy & Environment — League of Conservation Voters — Climate summit chief says US needs to 'show progress' on environment Five takeaways from Arizona's audit results MORE's lawyer Rudy Giuliani said Sunday that it would take some sort of extreme action for the president to obstruct justice.

“There are people who argue that he could never obstruct justice. I think that’s too far-fetched an argument and we don’t have to make it,” Giuliani said on CNN’s "State of the Union."

Giuliani said it would take some sort of extreme action for Trump to obstruct justice such as, if “say the president put a gun to a person’s head” in an investigation.


“I think now our argument is that when he exercises his power as president … then it becomes really really questionable if it becomes obstruction of justice,” Giuliani said.

Giuliani later denied that Trump ever discussed easing up on an investigation of his former White House national security adviser, Michael Flynn, with former FBI director James ComeyJames Brien ComeyGiuliani told investigators it was OK to 'throw a fake' during campaign DOJ watchdog unable to determine if FBI fed Giuliani information ahead of 2016 election Biden sister has book deal, set to publish in April MORE. But, he said, if Trump did, a statement telling Comey to “go easy on him [Flynn] is hardly obstruction.”

"There was no conversation about Michael Flynn. The President didn't find out that Comey believed there was until about, I think, it was February when it supposedly took place," Giuliani said. "[The] memo came out in May. And in between, Comey testified under oath, in no way had he been obstructed at any time," he continued.

"Then all of the sudden in May he says he felt obstructed. He felt pressured by that comment, 'you should go easy on Flynn.' So we maintain the President didn't say that."

Last month, Giuliani appeared to suggest that Trump did ask Comey to give up on the probe. 

"He didn't direct him to do that," Giuliani said on ABC's "This Week" in a clip played on "State of the Union." "What he said was, can you, can you give him a break."

But ABC's George Stephanopoulos said Comey took Trump's comment as an order.

"The reality is, as a prosecutor, I was told that many times, 'can you give the man a break,' either by his lawyers, by his relatives, by his friends," Giuliani told Stephanopoulos. You take that into consideration. But you know that doesn't determine not going forward with it."

Giuliani's remarks come as the president's legal team discuss a possible interview with Trump and special counsel Robert MuellerRobert (Bob) MuellerSenate Democrats urge Garland not to fight court order to release Trump obstruction memo Why a special counsel is guaranteed if Biden chooses Yates, Cuomo or Jones as AG Barr taps attorney investigating Russia probe origins as special counsel MORE for his probe into alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Giuliani said last Monday that lawyers representing Trump are readying to send a letter to Mueller expressing their "reluctance" to allow questions pertaining to obstruction of justice to come up during the potential interview.

“We have a real reluctance about allowing any questions about obstruction,” Giuliani told The Washington Post. “The president still hasn’t made a decision, and we’re not going to make a final decision just yet."