Giuliani spars with Stephanopoulos over whistleblower report: 'Donald Trump was framed by the Democrats'

President TrumpDonald TrumpOvernight Defense & National Security — The Pentagon's deadly mistake Overnight Energy & Environment — Presented by Climate Power — Interior returns BLM HQ to Washington France pulls ambassadors to US, Australia in protest of submarine deal MORE's personal lawyer Rudy GiulianiRudy GiulianiRoger Stone served with Capitol riot lawsuit during radio interview FEC finds Twitter didn't break law by blocking spread of Hunter Biden story Juan Williams: The toxic legacy of Trump's corruption MORE sparred with George StephanopoulosGeorge Robert StephanopoulosSurgeon general: 'Our enemy is the virus. It is not one another' Christie: Biden's new vaccine mandate will 'harden opposition' GOP senator on Texas abortion law: Supreme Court will 'swat it away' when 'it comes to them in an appropriate manner' MORE on ABC's "This Week" over the whistleblower report of Trump's interactions with Ukraine's leader, calling it "hearsay" and "unreliable" and saying the president "was framed by the Democrats."

He also repeatedly insisted Congress and the press would have reacted differently if the allegations against former Vice President Joe BidenJoe BidenHouse Democrat threatens to vote against party's spending bill if HBCUs don't get more federal aid Overnight Defense & National Security — The Pentagon's deadly mistake Haitians stuck in Texas extend Biden's immigration woes MORE and his son Hunter Biden had been made about Trump and Donald Trump Jr.Don TrumpHow Trump uses fundraising emails to remain undisputed leader of the GOP Donald Trump Jr. joins Cameo Book claims Trump family members were 'inappropriately' close with Secret Service agents MORE 


"I am defending my client the best way I know how," Giuliani said. "This is not about getting Joe Biden in trouble, this is about proving that Donald Trump was framed by the Democrats." 

The president's lawyer said his own meeting with Andriy Yermak, a Ukrainian official, was set up prior to the president's phone call with Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky, which became the focus of the whistleblower report. Reports circulated this weekend alleging Giuliani had conversations with Ukrainian officials about getting information on the Bidens.

The president and his lawyer have alleged that Joe Biden, a potential opponent for the president in the 2020 election, and his son were involved in corruption in the Ukraine.

Giuliani circled the conversation back to the allegations against the Bidens, saying that if the case involved Trump and his son Donald Trump Jr., he wouldn't have been sitting there. He held up two affidavits from Ukraine he said proved his point and several times asked why the information in them wasn't being investigated.

"Why is this less credible than the whistleblower when this is — this is direct knowledge and the whistleblower is hearsay?" he asked.

There is no evidence to back up Giuliani's claims that Biden or his son violated Ukrainian laws.  

Appearing later on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Giuliani said that Secretary of State Mike PompeoMike PompeoChristie, Pompeo named co-chairs of GOP redistricting group America needs a new strategy for Pacific Island Countries Harris to hold fundraiser for McAuliffe ahead of Virginia governor's race MORE had not instructed him to meet with Ukrainian officials.

“He did not,” Giuliani responded when asked by CBS’s Margaret Brennan whether Pompeo had asked him to arrange the meeting. “[Former Special Representative for Ukraine Kurt] Volker did, and [U.S. Ambassador to the European Union] Gordon Sondland did, but when I talked to the secretary last week, he told me he was aware of it.”

“On July 19, 2019, Kurt Volker called me. Text message to prove it; I put it out last week. Would you please — would you allow me to give your phone number to Mr. Yermak, who wants to talk to you to clear up the confusion about your canceled trip to the Ukraine? I said, ‘It’s up to you. Do you think I should do it?’” Giuliani said.

Zack Budryk contributed to this report, which was updated at 11:58 a.m.