Giuliani spars with Stephanopoulos over whistleblower report: 'Donald Trump was framed by the Democrats'

President TrumpDonald TrumpTrump PACs brought in over M for the first half of 2021 Chicago owes Trump M tax refund, state's attorney mounts legal challenge Biden hits resistance from unions on vaccine requirement MORE's personal lawyer Rudy GiulianiRudy GiulianiCapitol insurrection hearing exposes Trumpworld delusions DOJ declines to back Mo Brooks's defense against Swalwell's riot lawsuit Bob Dole: 'I'm a Trumper' but 'I'm sort of Trumped out' MORE sparred with George StephanopoulosGeorge Robert StephanopoulosThe Hill's Morning Report - Presented by Facebook - Jan. 6 probe, infrastructure to dominate week Sunday shows - Jan. 6 investigation dominates Senate Republican 'not happy' with Pelosi plan to delay infrastructure vote MORE on ABC's "This Week" over the whistleblower report of Trump's interactions with Ukraine's leader, calling it "hearsay" and "unreliable" and saying the president "was framed by the Democrats."

He also repeatedly insisted Congress and the press would have reacted differently if the allegations against former Vice President Joe BidenJoe BidenThe Supreme Court and blind partisanship ended the illusion of independent agencies Missed debt ceiling deadline kicks off high-stakes fight Senate infrastructure talks spill over into rare Sunday session MORE and his son Hunter Biden had been made about Trump and Donald Trump Jr.Don TrumpDonald Trump Jr. joins Cameo Book claims Trump family members were 'inappropriately' close with Secret Service agents Trump Jr. shares edited video showing father knocking Biden down with golf ball MORE 


"I am defending my client the best way I know how," Giuliani said. "This is not about getting Joe Biden in trouble, this is about proving that Donald Trump was framed by the Democrats." 

The president's lawyer said his own meeting with Andriy Yermak, a Ukrainian official, was set up prior to the president's phone call with Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky, which became the focus of the whistleblower report. Reports circulated this weekend alleging Giuliani had conversations with Ukrainian officials about getting information on the Bidens.

The president and his lawyer have alleged that Joe Biden, a potential opponent for the president in the 2020 election, and his son were involved in corruption in the Ukraine.

Giuliani circled the conversation back to the allegations against the Bidens, saying that if the case involved Trump and his son Donald Trump Jr., he wouldn't have been sitting there. He held up two affidavits from Ukraine he said proved his point and several times asked why the information in them wasn't being investigated.

"Why is this less credible than the whistleblower when this is — this is direct knowledge and the whistleblower is hearsay?" he asked.

There is no evidence to back up Giuliani's claims that Biden or his son violated Ukrainian laws.  

Appearing later on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Giuliani said that Secretary of State Mike PompeoMike PompeoNoem to travel to South Carolina for early voting event Poll: Trump leads 2024 GOP primary trailed by Pence, DeSantis Pence v. Biden on China: Competing but consistent visions MORE had not instructed him to meet with Ukrainian officials.

“He did not,” Giuliani responded when asked by CBS’s Margaret Brennan whether Pompeo had asked him to arrange the meeting. “[Former Special Representative for Ukraine Kurt] Volker did, and [U.S. Ambassador to the European Union] Gordon Sondland did, but when I talked to the secretary last week, he told me he was aware of it.”

“On July 19, 2019, Kurt Volker called me. Text message to prove it; I put it out last week. Would you please — would you allow me to give your phone number to Mr. Yermak, who wants to talk to you to clear up the confusion about your canceled trip to the Ukraine? I said, ‘It’s up to you. Do you think I should do it?’” Giuliani said.

Zack Budryk contributed to this report, which was updated at 11:58 a.m.