Networks unlikely to cash in on Pence-Kaine

Networks unlikely to cash in on Pence-Kaine
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The vice presidential debate between Republican Mike PenceMichael (Mike) Richard PenceMarc Short to return to White House as Pence’s chief of staff China accuses US of trying to block development after Pence Huawei comments Kamala Harris shopping trip stirs Twitter campaign trail debate MORE and Democrat Tim KaineTimothy (Tim) Michael KaineDemocrats brush off GOP 'trolling' over Green New Deal Overnight Defense: Trump declares border emergency | .6B in military construction funds to be used for wall | Trump believes Obama would have started war with North Korea | Pentagon delivers aid for Venezuelan migrants Kaine asks Shanahan if military families would be hurt by moving .6B for border wall MORE is not expected to be a ratings blockbuster.

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“The Pence/Kaine debate could be facing viewership lows not seen since the Cheney/Lieberman debate in 2000,” argued Chad Wilkinson, vice president of CapitalHQ, a New York-based public relations firm.

Republican Dick Cheney and Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) drew just 29 million viewers that year.

“Unlike the unpredictable nature of the Trump/Clinton debate that drove big numbers, this will be a predictable wonk fest on policy,” Wilkinson said.

“Only the most inside-the-beltway followers will tune in,” he concludes. “I predict 29–34 million will watch.”

Other political observers are more optimistic for Pence and Kaine.

“I expect a slightly higher audience than 2012 because of more attention to this election,” said Jessica Tarlov, a Democrat and senior strategist at New York-based Schoen Consulting.

“The audience will find it more boring than Trump versus Clinton, but with two disliked candidates they are likely going to be looking at VP candidates as more important than usual.”

The debate will be going up against the American League Wild Card playoff game between the Baltimore Orioles and Toronto Blue Jays, but baseball is not likely to drive too many viewers away from the broadcast.

Networks carrying the debate include ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX-TV, Fox News, Fox Business, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, Bloomberg, PBS, C-SPAN, Telemundo and Univision, along with a host of streaming options. 

Many eyes will be on the debate’s moderator, CBS News correspondent and CBSN anchor Elaine Quijano. 

Quijano, who is Filipino-American, is the first Asian-American journalist to moderate a national debate. She’s also the first anchor of a digital network to host a debate, and at 42 is the youngest moderator in nearly 30 years.

ABC’s Judy Woodruff holds the record for hosting a 1988 debate at the age of 41.

Vice presidential debates have had memorable moments and high ratings, from former Texas Sen. Lloyd Bentsen’s verbal takedown of Republican Dan Quayle in 1988 to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s folksy greeting to Biden in 2008, when she asked if it was OK if she called the Delaware senator “Joe.”

Palin-Biden is also the ratings exception for vice presidential debates. It drew 69.9 million viewers — nearly 7 million viewers more than the highest-rated presidential debate from that cycle. 

Everyone knew who Palin was in that cycle, however.

In 2016, many Americans would have trouble picking Kaine or Pence from a crowd.

A survey conducted by ABC News and Social Science Research Solutions found that more than 40 percent of Americans can't name the vice presidential nominee of either major party.

At the same time, Gallup has found that more people are paying very close attention to national politics this year, which could bring eyeballs to Pence-Kaine.

Still, Harlin Hill, a former Democratic consultant supporting Donald Trump, says there isn't nearly as much anticipation going into this year's vice presidential matchup. 

“Remember in 2012, the VPs followed Obama's truly lackluster performance in the first presidential debate," says Hill. “The incumbent ticket looked weak after polls showed Romney crushing Obama in the first debate, so Biden had a lot of pressure on him to perform."

“The dynamic is much less suspenseful this year,” he said.

Vice presidential debates have been held every year since 1976, with the exception of 1980.

Here are the ratings year by year:

Mondale-Dole, 1976: 43.2 million 

1980: None scheduled

Bush-Ferraro, 1984: 56.7 million 

Quayle-Bentsen, 1988: 50 million 

Quayle-Stockdale-Gore, 1992: 51.2 million 

Gore-Kemp, 1996: 26.6 million 

Cheney-Lieberman, 2000: 29.1 million 

Cheney-Edwards, 2004: 43.6 million 

Biden-Palin, 2008: 69,9 million 

Biden-Ryan, 2012: 51.4 million 

--This report was updated on Oct. 5 at 11:42 a.m.