Don't expect Trump-sized ratings for Democratic debates

Don't expect Trump-sized ratings for Democratic debates
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Ten Democratic candidates take center stage on NBC on Wednesday night for the first of two primary debates of the season. 

But how will the debates fare from a ratings perspective? 

Let’s look back at the numbers of the first primary debates of the past three presidential election cycles as a gauge. 


Obviously, 2015 was the high point given the Trump factor. Trump’s star power helped propel Fox News to an audience of more than 24 million in August 2015 for the first GOP debate of that election season. The number is even more remarkable when considering that August is annually the least-watched month for television, given summer vacation time for many Americans. A debate garnering over 24 million viewers for a primary debate 15 months before Election Day is much more eye-popping.  

On the Democratic side in 2015, the party opted to hold its first presidential debate two months after the GOP August kickoff in Cleveland. CNN held rights to the event featuring Hillary ClintonHillary Diane Rodham ClintonHeller won't say if Biden won election Whitmer trailing GOP challenger by 6 points in Michigan governor race: poll GOP political operatives indicted over illegal campaign contribution from Russian national in 2016 MORE, Sen. Bernie SandersBernie SandersBiden touts 'progress' during 'candid' meetings on .5T plan Manchin: Biden told moderates to pitch price tag for reconciliation bill Biden employs flurry of meetings to unite warring factions MORE (I-Vt.) and three other forgetful candidates, which delivered 15.3 million viewers —9 million less than the GOP offering on Fox. 

Going back to 2011, the numbers noticeably drop from 2015 levels: For the first primary debate in May 2011, just 3.53 million viewers tuned into Fox News to see the likes of Mitt RomneyWillard (Mitt) Mitt RomneyGraham tries to help Trump and McConnell bury the hatchet GOP senator will 'probably' vote for debt limit increase Five questions and answers about the debt ceiling fight MORE, Herman CainHerman CainRepublicans have dumped Reagan for Trump 'Trumpification' of the GOP will persist 'SNL' host Dave Chappelle urges Biden voters to be 'humble' winners MORE, Rick PerryRick PerryRepublicans are the 21st-century Know-Nothing Party College football move rocks Texas legislature Trump tries to spin failed Texas endorsement: 'This was a win' MORE and Newt GingrichNewton (Newt) Leroy GingrichMORE battle it out for the GOP nomination and the right to take on then-President Obama. That’s 21 million less than in 2015. 

In 2007, the numbers were even lower, with MSNBC drawing just 2.26 million viewers for the first Democratic debate in April 2007. On the Republican side, only 2.19 million tuned in to ABC for the first GOP debate in Aug. 2007. 

Given the trend from 2007 to 2015, you might think the numbers are trending upward for 2019. Not even close.  


After a Trump bump for two years since his stunning win in November 2016, all trends point down.

As reported by Axios per traffic analytics company, "the number of page views for articles about Trump has dropped 29% between his first 6 months in office and the most recent 6 months as the shock factor around his presidency wears off." 

That's amazing: Despite a perpetually chaotic news cycle, nearly one-third of readers have found other things to absorb. 

Trump's tweets have also lost much of their ability to shock or awe, with his tweets getting half the engagement numbers they did when he took office in January 2017. 

But to get a decent preview of how NBC may perform from a ratings perspective on Wednesday night, let's look at last weekend's South Carolina Democratic convention. It offered up speeches and interviews with 21 of the 25 Democrats running for president, including top-tier candidates Sanders, Vice President Joe BidenJoe BidenUkraine's president compares UN to 'a retired superhero' Biden touts 'progress' during 'candid' meetings on .5T plan Biden to tap law professor who wants to 'end banking as we know it' as OCC chief: reports MORE, Sen. Elizabeth WarrenElizabeth Warren11 senators urge House to pass .5T package before infrastructure bill Senate Democrats seeking information from SPACs, questioning 'misaligned incentives' UN secretary-general blasts space tourism MORE (D-Mass.).
In an unprecedented move, MSNBC obtained special exclusive coverage of the convention from 10 a.m. to 8 p.m. ET. According to Nielsen Media Research, only 598,000 total viewers tuned in during that time, including only 70,000 in the key 25-54 demographic advertisers covet most. 

What makes those numbers likely troubling for the network is that they were down double digits when compared to the same day one year ago, which only offered up regular weekend programming.

If the South Carolina convention is any indication, the NBC numbers for Wednesday night in Miami may not remotely approach the 24 million viewers of the first GOP debate of the last election season, or even the 15 million that tuned in to CNN four years earlier.

Some in media saw the 2020 election as a lifeline for viewership. Media greatly benefited from the Trump bump that began four years ago when he announced his candidacy after a ride down an escalator in Trump Tower. But fatigue has officially set in.

And the Democrats don't have an effective, compelling foil despite having 25 people to choose from. 

Debates were seen as sure things to draw massive audiences in 2015-2016.  

Not this time around.

Joe Concha is a media reporter for The Hill and co-host of "WOR Tonight with Joe Concha" weeknights on 710-WOR in New York. Follow Concha on Twitter @JoeConchaTV.