AOC v. Pelosi: Round 12?

AOC v. Pelosi: Round 12?
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A girl fight is hard to resist. And though this one is more pantsuits than bikinis, political observers are drooling at the prospect of another round of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-CortezAlexandria Ocasio-CortezProgressives won't oppose bill over limits on stimulus checks Bipartisan bill would ban lawmakers from buying, selling stocks The Hill's Morning Report - Presented by Facebook - J&J vax rollout today; third woman accuses Cuomo MORE (D-N.Y.) versus House Speaker Nancy PelosiNancy PelosiTrump White House associate tied to Proud Boys before riot via cell phone data Greene sounds off on GOP after Hill story 'Bloody Sunday' to be commemorated for first time without John Lewis MORE (D-Calif.).

Though this “feud” has been a thing only for a couple of years — the duration of AOC’s political career thus far — it has all the makings of a blockbuster story that leads to great soundbites and, most critically, lots of clicks online.

The latest installment centers on comments that AOC made on the podcast Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill, wherein the young congresswoman offered: “We need new leadership in the Democratic Party.” She added, “Opportunities to lead are so few and far between,” because there is a “lack of real grooming of a next generation of leadership.”


True to form, about five seconds after some recent college grad working at The Intercept hits “upload” on the podcast, Beltway media combusted. But the dirty little secret behind this story, and so many others like it, is that it really isn’t a story at all.

It isn’t a novel idea that Democrats need new leadership, or that one of the most vocal progressive representatives shares that belief. As AOC wrote on Twitter, “Yep, journalists have asked me (and others!) this same question for two years and I’ve answered the same way almost every time but for some reason today it’s “news.” (It’s not news) I am however guilty of the cardinal political sin of clearly answering a journalists’ question.”

Two things are important here. First, she rightly highlights how infrequently politicians directly answer journalists’ questions. I know the business of politics is messy and that some dodging is just part of the game. But the frequency at which pols spin, obfuscate and outright ignore media questions has done real damage to Americans’ ability to get a real handle on where those tax dollars they send to Washington are going.

Second, AOC isn’t alone in feeling this way about the Democratic leadership. Far from it. Rep. Tim RyanTimothy (Tim) RyanABC names new deputy political director, weekend White House correspondent Threats to lawmakers up 93.5 percent in last two months Tim Ryan: Prosecutors reviewing video of Capitol tours given by lawmakers before riot MORE (D-Ohio) unsuccessfully challenged Pelosi in 2016 and, after the Democrats won the House in 2018, said, “I think it's important that we listen to those new members. They got elected in red districts, conservative districts. They did a heck of a job over the last year. I think their opinions should matter.”

All House members’ opinions should matter, and especially so when they’ve just won a conservative or purple district. In 2018, more than 20 congressional candidates pledged not to support Pelosi for the speakership should they win, with nearly 10 of them winning their races and Rep. Marcia FudgeMarcia FudgeWe need to lay the foundation for meaningful housing policy change Black Caucus members lobby Biden to tap Shalanda Young for OMB head Sanders votes against Biden USDA nominee Vilsack MORE (D-Ohio) very seriously weighed a challenge. Pelosi was able to hold on to her position by pledging to serve only four more years in the role, but criticism persisted.


After the Democrats’ disappointing down-ballot showing in November, wherein moderate Democrats lost several seats, a group of centrist representatives came together to discuss throwing their support behind a challenger to Pelosi. Not only did Democrats lose more than 10 seats, but House members such as Cheri BustosCheryl (Cheri) Lea BustosHouse Republican campaign arm rolls out target list for midterms Lobbying world Five centrist Democrats oppose Pelosi for Speaker in tight vote MORE of Illinois, chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which is in charge of protecting vulnerable members and flipping red seats blue, barely won her own race.

These centrists were eyeing New York Rep. Hakeem JeffriesHakeem Sekou JeffriesJustice Dept. pledges to address hate crimes against Asian Americans Xi'an Famous Foods CEO warns of anti-Asian hate crimes in NYC Democrats snipe on policy, GOP brawls over Trump MORE, the head of the Democratic House Caucus. One Democratic lawmaker said, “He’s the only one prepared and positioned to be speaker. He bridges moderates and progressives better than anyone. And most importantly, he’s not Nancy Pelosi.”

As expected, Jeffries shot the idea down. And though Pelosi was able to retain the speakership, it’s clear that the media are giving this a narrow reading. This is an area where there is common ground between the progressive and moderate representatives.

Questions of leadership are deeply complex. They are especially so when there are stark ideological divides within a party and leaders in place who have delivered big wins throughout their careers and also have had a long tenure in those roles.

It follows that the most important, and newsworthy, part of what AOC said is that there has been a real lack of grooming for the next generation of leadership. It’s hard to disagree with her.

Besides Jeffries, few names spring to mind when you think about potential successors for Pelosi — or House Majority Leader Steny HoyerSteny Hamilton HoyerSunday shows preview: Manchin makes the rounds after pivotal role in coronavirus relief debate House to vote on revised COVID-19 bill Tuesday Senate approves sweeping coronavirus measure in partisan vote MORE (D-Md.) and House Majority Whip Jim ClyburnJames (Jim) Enos ClyburnHouse Democratic leaders back Shalanda Young for OMB after Tanden withdrawal Clyburn reintroduces legislation to close 'Charleston loophole' Gun violence prevention groups optimistic background check legislation can pass this Congress MORE (D-S.C.), for that matter. They are widely expected to all step down from their roles at the same time, which makes 2022 an even more important election than usual.

And while there are significant players in the caucus who could fill leadership positions — such as Reps. Ted LieuTed W. LieuPelosi, lawmakers denounce violence against Asian Americans Riot probe to likely focus on McCarthy-Trump call Progressives urge Biden pick for attorney general to prosecute Trump MORE (D-Calif.), Pete AguilarPeter (Pete) Ray AguilarPartisan headwinds threaten Capitol riot commission AOC v. Pelosi: Round 12? Maloney to lead Democrats' campaign arm MORE (D-Calif.), Debbie DingellDeborah (Debbie) Ann DingellFBI informant describes plot against Whitmer Lawmakers offer gun control bill to end 'boyfriend loophole' Michigan Democrat Dingell on violent rhetoric: 'I've had men in front of my house with assault weapons' MORE (D-Mich.) or Karen BassKaren Ruth BassHouse approves George Floyd Justice in Policing Act House sets vote for George Floyd police reform bill Lobbying world MORE (D-Calif.) — questions remain around the formal leadership training process and how Democrats can satisfy the needs of a younger caucus that is split between moderate and progressive representatives.

Additionally, there has been growing discussion about committee chair term limits to try to get more representatives in senior leadership. It’s an across-the-board problem.

I’ve always liked the idea of a shadow leadership team, where newcomer stars from across the ideological spectrum such as Reps. Ayanna PressleyAyanna PressleyPressley says image of Black custodial staff cleaning up Capitol after Jan. 6 riot 'haunts' her DeJoy apologizes for mail delays while defending Postal Service changes DeJoy set for grilling by House Oversight panel MORE (D-Mass.) and Abigail SpanbergerAbigail Davis SpanbergerHillicon Valley: YouTube to restore Trump's account | House-passed election bill takes aim at foreign interference | Senators introduce legislation to create international tech partnerships House-passed election bill takes aim at foreign interference Democrats hesitant to raise taxes amid pandemic MORE (D-Va.), for example, could get their feet wet. Pelosi and her team are surely considering their options and a succession plan for when the time comes.

They are also surely not panicking about what AOC said on a podcast. That’s a fantasy the media just won’t let go.

Jessica Tarlov is head of research at Bustle Digital Group and a Fox News contributor. She earned her Ph.D. at the London School of Economics in political science. Follow her on Twitter @JessicaTarlov.