Lawmakers, experts see combating Russian disinformation as a 'battle'

Lawmakers, experts see combating Russian disinformation as a 'battle'
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House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Nita LoweyNita Sue LoweyHere are the 95 Democrats who voted to support impeachment House votes to kill impeachment effort against Trump Hillicon Valley: Trump officials to investigate French tax on tech giants | Fed chair raises concerns about Facebook's crypto project | FCC blocks part of San Francisco law on broadband competition | House members warn of disinformation 'battle' MORE (D-N.Y.) is describing the fight against Russian efforts to spread disinformation on social media as a conflict that the U.S. has “got to win."

At a Wednesday hearing, Lowey referenced the U.S. women's soccer team's World Cup win, saying: "We won the USA soccer match, I can’t believe that how difficult it is that we can’t win this battle."

The comments came during a House Appropriations subcommittee hearing on countering Russian disinformation and malign influence on social media and other communications platforms, particularly attempts to interfere in U.S. elections. 

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Witnesses at Wednesday's hearing agreed with Lowey's assessment of the spread of Russian disinformation as an ongoing conflict.

John Lansing, the CEO of the U.S. Agency for Global Media, which has jurisdiction over Voice of America and Radio Free Europe, described the issue of countering disinformation as a “battle.” Lansing asked lawmakers to step up spending to combat Russian efforts.

“I can’t say we’re at the promised land, or we’ve reached the epiphany of making it all go away, but we’re engaged,” Lansing told the subcommittee. “The one thing I would ask ... is just help us fund the effort. It’s becoming more and more expensive, because the Russians are sparing no expense in disrupting all these democratic institutions.”

Lansing noted that Russia is stepping up its disinformation efforts in other Democratic countries and in the U.S. in advance of the 2020 elections, and said that operatives are increasingly using artificial intelligence to spread lies under the guise of fake profiles.

“A lie can go around the world while the truth is putting its shoes on,” Lansing said.  

Lansing underlined the overall threat from Russia, and said that he believed Russia’s goal was to “destroy” the truth. 

“In a world where nothing is empirically truthful, any lie will do, and if everything is a lie, the biggest liar wins,” Lansing said. “It’s not an overestimation to say that the information battlefield may be the fight of the 21st century.”

Social media companies like Facebook have faced pressure to crack down on the issue. In the wake of the 2016 election and other privacy scandals, Facebook put geographic limits and other security obstacles on the buying of political advertisements.

But another witness at Wednesday's hearing said that in Ukraine, Russia has been testing out ways to skirt those rules, such as through the use of “ad mules,” or paying Ukrainian citizens to use their actual accounts to buy ads.

“It looks like an authentic Ukrainian is logging on and buying those ads, and then they are able to place those political ads,” Nina Jankowicz, a global fellow at the Wilson Center, said, and criticized Facebook for being “extraordinarily lax” in responding to this threat.