Esper sidesteps question on whether he aligns more with Mattis or Trump

Esper sidesteps question on whether he aligns more with Mattis or Trump
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Defense Secretary nominee Mark Esper on Tuesday declined to say whether he more closely aligns with President TrumpDonald John TrumpNational Archives says it altered Trump signs, other messages in Women's March photo Dems plan marathon prep for Senate trial, wary of Trump trying to 'game' the process Democratic lawmaker dismisses GOP lawsuit threat: 'Take your letter and shove it' MORE or former Defense Secretary James MattisJames Norman MattisOvernight Defense: Book says Trump called military leaders 'dopes and babies' | House reinvites Pompeo for Iran hearing | Dems urge Esper to reject border wall funding request Trump called top military brass 'a bunch of dopes and babies' in 2017: book Maxine Waters: Republicans 'shielding' Trump 'going to be responsible for dragging us to war' MORE, although he said he “clearly” shares Mattis’s views on the international order.

“I don’t know where to pick between the two,” Esper replied to a question from Sen. Gary PetersGary Charles PetersHillicon Valley: Biden calls for revoking tech legal shield | DHS chief 'fully expects' Russia to try to interfere in 2020 | Smaller companies testify against Big Tech 'monopoly power' Bipartisan group of senators introduces legislation to boost state cybersecurity leadership The Hill's Morning Report — President Trump on trial MORE (D-Mich.) during his confirmation hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee. “But I clearly share Mattis’s views, and I’ve expressed that publicly.”

Mattis resigned in protest in December after Trump announced a full U.S. military withdrawal from Syria, a plan that has since been reversed.


In his resignation letter, Mattis made clear he was leaving because his views did not “align” with Trump’s on the value of alliances such as NATO and the anti-ISIS coalition and standing firm against adversaries such as Russia and China.

Mattis was highly respected by lawmakers in both parties for the perception he stood up to Trump, and his departure left some fretting his replacement would be too deferential to the president.

Reading from Mattis’s resignation letter, Peters asked Esper about his view on the U.S.-led international order and alliances.

“On my first day as acting secretary, the note I sent to the field said that I fully support the National Defense Strategy, to include, explicitly, line of effort two, which talks about building alliances and strengthening our partnerships,” Esper replied. “So I’m fully committed to that. I realize the importance of it.”

Esper also said the post-World War II international order has “ensured prosperity and security,” but is now under threat from Russia and China.

Pressed by Peters if he would resign in the way Mattis did if he is asked to do something that contradicts his values, Esper said he would “absolutely” be willing to resign if he is asked to do something illegal or immoral. 

“My time in the Army, I grew up with this view that if you’re asked to do anything illegal or immoral or unethical, then that would be the point at which you have to consider resignation,” Esper said.