President-elect Donald TrumpDonald TrumpHarris stumps for McAuliffe in Virginia On The Money — Sussing out what Sinema wants Hillicon Valley — Presented by Xerox — The Facebook Oversight Board is not pleased MORE’s choice to be secretary of Homeland Security went on record as holding views counter to Trump in a number of areas at a largely genial Senate confirmation hearing Tuesday.
Under questioning from Democrats and a Republican, retired Gen. John Kelly broke with Trump on the effectiveness of a border wall, using torture to interrogate terrorism suspects and whether Russia engaged in hacking to influence the election. He also said he opposed compiling a database of Muslims as part of a counterterrorism effort.
But Kelly did side with his would-be boss on enforcing immigration laws in so-called sanctuary cities and would not commit to not using information submitted by young undocumented immigrants as part of President Obama’s DACA program against them.
Still, in all, senators seemed poised to confirm Kelly, with Sen. Heidi HeitkampMary (Heidi) Kathryn HeitkampWashington's oldest contact sport: Lobbyists scrum to dilute or kill Democrats' tax bill Progressives prepare to launch counterattack in tax fight Business groups aim to divide Democrats on .5T spending bill MORE (D-N.D.) calling the hearing a “love fest.”
Sen. Ron JohnsonRonald (Ron) Harold JohnsonA pandemic of hyper-hypocrisy is infecting American politics Sen. Ron Johnson hoping for Democratic 'gridlock' on reconciliation package Republicans' mantra should have been 'Stop the Spread' MORE (R-Wis.) said after the hearing he expects Kelly to be confirmed on Trump's first day in office or shortly thereafter.
“We all share the same goal; we want a safe, prosperous, secure America,” Johnson said. “We realize the president, whether from your party or not, needs to have his national security, homeland security team in place as soon as possible. I just don’t see any stumbling blocks to this confirmation.”
Sen. Claire McCaskillClaire Conner McCaskillEx-Rep. Akin dies at 74 Republicans may regret restricting reproductive rights Sunday shows preview: States deal with fallout of Ida; Texas abortion law takes effect MORE (D-Mo.), ranking member of the committee, said she was heartened by Kelly’s responses during the hearing.
“I’m confident that he will be a moderating influence on President-elect Trump and some of his more divisive rhetoric that he displayed during the campaign when it comes to immigration and a Muslim ban and all the other things that were covered in the hearing today,” she said.
Toward the beginning of the hearing, Sen. John McCainJohn Sidney McCainMcCain: Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner had 'no goddamn business' attending father's funeral Meghan McCain: 'SNL' parodies made me feel like 'laughing stock of the country' Our military shouldn't be held hostage to 'water politics' MORE (R-Ariz.), who also gave a glowing introduction of Kelly, asked Kelly if he supports the use of torture. Trump said during the campaign that he would return to waterboarding and a “hell of a lot worse” to interrogate terrorism suspects.
“I don’t think we should ever come close to crossing a line that is beyond what we as Americans should expect to follow,” Kelly said.
Asked by McCain whether that includes following the Geneva Conventions, Kelly said “yes.”
McCain also asked Kelly whether he agrees a border wall is a not the best way to “prevent that flow of drugs and people.” The wall has been one of Trump’s key promises.
“A physical barrier in and of itself would not do the job,” Kelly responded, saying there also needs to be drones, sensors and other technology in place to patrol the border. Kelly also said border protection starts with partnering with countries to the south.
McCaskill asked Kelly whether he agrees with the intelligence community’s assessment that Russia hacked Democratic systems to influence the election. Trump has been dismissive of the findings, treating them as an attack on his legitimacy.
Kelly said he agrees with the assessment “with high confidence.”
Sen. Gary Peters (D-Mich.) repeatedly asked Kelly about Trump’s plans with regard to Muslims, saying Trump’s comments caused “particular anxiety” in his state, which is home to a large Muslim population.
Kelly said it is his understanding that putting mosques under surveillance and establishing a Muslim database would violate the Constitution.
He also said religion should not be the focus of counterterrorism efforts.
“I don't think it is ever appropriate to focus on something like religion as the only factor,” Kelly said.
But Kelly demurred on breaking from Trump on other immigration policies.
Kelly was pressed by Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) on whether he would commit to not deporting people with the use of personal information submitted to the government as part of Obama’s program to protect young undocumented immigrants who were brought to the U.S. as children from deportation.
Kelly said he has not been a part of the Trump’s teams discussion on the at subject and so couldn’t make the commitment Harris was looking for. But he promised to “keep an open mind” and “look very long and hard” at the issue.
Kelly also indicated he’d be willing to go after so-called sanctuary cities, which give shelter to undocumented immigrants.
“I don’t think I have the authority to pick and choose what laws need to be followed,” Kelly said in response to a question from Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.) “I understand the perspective of some of the local leaders, but I do think the law is the law.”