House members bicker amid whistleblower hearing

A House Judiciary Committee hearing erupted in bickering on Wednesday as lawmakers heard testimony from a pair of Justice Department whistleblowers and two former senior officials over allegations that the Trump administration has politicized the agency.

The fracas began as former Deputy Attorney General Donald Ayer was delivering an opening statement. As Ayer ran over his allotted five minutes, Rep. Louie GohmertLouis (Louie) Buller GohmertCapitol's COVID-19 spike could be bad Thanksgiving preview GOP Rep. Dan Newhouse tests positive for COVID-19 Colorado Democrat Ed Perlmutter tests positive for coronavirus MORE (R-Texas) began making a tapping noise to drown him out.

Gohmert's behavior angered the Democrats on the committee and prompted one to call for the sergeant-at-arms to intervene.


"Mr. Chairman, I would ask that the sergeant-at-arms be called upon to stop the disruption of this meeting," Rep. Hank JohnsonHenry (Hank) C. JohnsonDemocratic senators unveil bill to ban discrimination in financial services industry Five takeaways as panel grills tech CEOs Lawmakers, public bid farewell to John Lewis MORE (D-Ga.) said. "I can’t hear this witness. This is a very important witness."

"Yeah, well he's way beyond his time," Gohmert shot back. "And if there are no rules about when people can talk, there are no rules about when you can make noise."

Gohmert went on to call the situation “outrageous,” rhetorically asking Chairman Jerry NadlerJerrold (Jerry) Lewis NadlerTop Republicans praise Trump's Flynn pardon Democratic impeachment leaders blast Trump's pardon of Flynn Democrats accuse GSA of undermining national security by not certifying Biden win MORE (D-N.Y.) if he had “no respect for the rules whatsoever,” saying Ayer was “two minutes beyond concluding and you don’t let us have that kind of time, you gavel us down immediately. You’re being grossly unfair.”

Ayer continued to speak while Gohmert continued to make the tapping noise.

Johnson, noting that rules permitted the chair to allow extra time at his discretion, continued to call for Gohmert’s removal by the sergeant-at-arms.


Rep. Doug CollinsDouglas (Doug) Allen CollinsMajority say they want GOP in control of Senate: poll The Hill's Morning Report - Presented by the UAE Embassy in Washington, DC - Trump, Biden clash over transition holdup, pandemic plans Georgia secretary of state says wife has received threatening texts about recount MORE (R-Ga.), in response, said that House rules did not allow Nadler to “capriciously determine the five-minute rule at the whim of what he wants,” accusing the New York Democrat of “arbitrarily deciding when the five-minute rule will be applied and when it will not be applied.”

Told by Nadler he had “not stated a cognizable point of order,” Collins countered that Nadler had “not stated a recognizable way of running the committee in 18 months.”

— This report was updated at 2:29 p.m.